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Lizzie Poppet

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73. Bull.

Wed Aug 15, 2012, 02:03 PM

Aug 2012

Unless you can read minds, you have no way of knowing if the irrational person assaulting you is going to be content with an "ass kicking," or if he's going to cripple or kill you...over an accident. Just because it's understandable that someone seeing their kid hurt might react with anger doesn't mean that it's somehow okay for that anger to express itself in assault.

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Horrible - Father killed by off-duty cop who ran over his daughter [View all] reflection Aug 2012 OP

Terrible. lonestarnot Aug 2012 #1

Clearly a case of self-defense ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #2

sad story. no going to judge anyone here. loli phabay Aug 2012 #3

I can understand the father freaking out, drm604 Aug 2012 #4

My judgement would require things I don't now know...like the existing asymmetry of power HereSince1628 Aug 2012 #8

Concur...not enough data ProgressiveProfessor Aug 2012 #18

"...in an effort to avoid them, jumped off his motorcycle." Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #5

i think its just bad writing might be he grounded the bike to try to miss them loli phabay Aug 2012 #7

I think I have a pretty good idea what happened, they are soft softpedalling the cops negligence. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #15

well seeing as he had a broken leg kinda hard to do roadside tests loli phabay Aug 2012 #17

Because an officer discharged his weapon while off duty, in a civilian altercation, resulting Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #19

jjust because he discharged his weapon and there was a fatality doesn't mean an arrest loli phabay Aug 2012 #21

I'm sure it will be found to be 'justified'. We'll see, or rather we will never hear of this again. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #57

Makes sense. The media usually helps cover up wrong doing by the police. limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #38

I've ridden longer than I'll admit and that's what it sounds like to me. He took the corner too Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #56

how do you know he was going around a corner? snooper2 Aug 2012 #67

Just the most likely situation to go down. If he wasn't, it was worse as he wasn't even paying Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #81

Very sad gollygee Aug 2012 #6

i thought the child survived. loli phabay Aug 2012 #9

Yes, the child survived. n/t reflection Aug 2012 #10

Oh, whoops gollygee Aug 2012 #11

yeah that would be my first instinct. loli phabay Aug 2012 #12

if it happened that way, it's hard to say it wasn't justified Enrique Aug 2012 #13

If he's still moving and your daughter is unconscious--you attack. vaberella Aug 2012 #51

My first instinct would be to take care of my child. Marrah_G Aug 2012 #59

I would have gone straight to my kid gollygee Aug 2012 #74

If your daughter is severely hurt your are going to attack? NCTraveler Aug 2012 #88

Ah...so your daughter's lying on the pavement and your first impulse inner lite Aug 2012 #97

Don't cops carry tasers? Bandit Aug 2012 #14

not all cops do and none if they are off duty loli phabay Aug 2012 #16

maybe for the accident but not if two guys started beating him. loli phabay Aug 2012 #22

I'd call him the worst cop ever... derby378 Aug 2012 #20

Another bad apple, I guess. Bake Aug 2012 #65

I am leaning towards the cop's side on this one. Marinedem Aug 2012 #23

Cousin was 18 yrs old according to story sammytko Aug 2012 #24

Well that is even worse, then. inner lite Aug 2012 #96

what Marinedem said. I agree. progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author BOG PERSON Aug 2012 #91

So uhm ...the cop was in fear for his life? Did the father have a gun or knife? L0oniX Aug 2012 #25

Just pointing this out: Marinedem Aug 2012 #30

Stop ...I'm a police officer! ...I guess that didn't work. L0oniX Aug 2012 #31

I guess not. Marinedem Aug 2012 #32

Too stupid? What compassion. Union Scribe Aug 2012 #36

He assaulted someone. Stupid. Marinedem Aug 2012 #39

As you said to me, no discussion with you would be meaningful. Zalatix Aug 2012 #42

You are just guessing... Mike_Valentine Aug 2012 #44

True, who would ever wonder why a cop would hit a kid. Zalatix Aug 2012 #83

Feel free to wonder to your heart's delight Ben_Caxton Aug 2012 #86

It's concerning to you, perhaps. Zalatix Aug 2012 #90

As a rational person... Ben_Caxton Aug 2012 #93

It was a motorcycle sammytko Aug 2012 #47

He was on a motorcycle,and we don't know gollygee Aug 2012 #72

when they dart out into the street at night? datasuspect Aug 2012 #80

He didn't witness anything, he heard a commotion and ran outside.. snooper2 Aug 2012 #69

Compassion is going to your injured child's side NickB79 Aug 2012 #95

And the police officer couldn't fight back? Zalatix Aug 2012 #35

Reading is fundamental. Marinedem Aug 2012 #37

If reading is fundamental then bullshit checking must be sacred. Zalatix Aug 2012 #40

This may be hard to follow, but please try. Marinedem Aug 2012 #43

LOL. I know, right? Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2012 #64

His leg was broken in the accident.......... Marrah_G Aug 2012 #61

And you posted "if reading is fundamental" ROFL snooper2 Aug 2012 #70

If Reading is Fundamental... NCTraveler Aug 2012 #89

31,224 deaths involving guns in 2000 Confusious Aug 2012 #55

I don't see how this is at all like Zimmerman gollygee Aug 2012 #58

You are 8 times more likely to be killed by a cop than a terrorist in the US. morningfog Aug 2012 #26

Ouch. Facts are biased against cops. Zalatix Aug 2012 #41

That's not very high, given that cops outnumber terrorists in the US by a huge margin RZM Aug 2012 #66

Not according to Fox. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2012 #99

You attack an armed officer, you get shot. Period. progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #27

No winners anywhere in this terrible story... i am going to agree with others seabeyond Aug 2012 #29

No winners BUT the off duty cop was negligent as a motorcylist PufPuf23 Aug 2012 #33

No one who has had a motor vehicle accident should be allowed to be a cop, ride a bike or own a gun? Marrah_G Aug 2012 #62

How do you know he was negligent? dmallind Aug 2012 #77

Yay, Cops! Iggo Aug 2012 #34

I see the authoritarians are out in force making excuses for the cop. redgreenandblue Aug 2012 #45

Much better... Ben_Caxton Aug 2012 #46

If you run over a child then yes, you should take an ass kicking rather than shoot the father. redgreenandblue Aug 2012 #48

Got it... Ben_Caxton Aug 2012 #49

Any decent human being would not fire a gun under such circumstances. redgreenandblue Aug 2012 #50

I know many... Ben_Caxton Aug 2012 #53

+10,000 Zalatix Aug 2012 #63

Does that apply to any traffic fatalities? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #68

If I ever came into such a situation, the thing I wouldn't do is draw a gun. redgreenandblue Aug 2012 #84

Bull. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2012 #73

He only kicked the ass of the little girl right? RegieRocker Aug 2012 #76

Did you actually read the article? Lizzie Poppet Aug 2012 #78

Jumping off the motorcycle and abandoning it to RegieRocker Aug 2012 #79

Yep, I read. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2012 #82

A decent person would not fight back in such a situation and certainly not draw a gun. redgreenandblue Aug 2012 #85

Absurd. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2012 #87

That's what I'm seeing as well. n/t vaberella Aug 2012 #52

Yep. People don't even get how well trained they've been Union Scribe Aug 2012 #92

I have never ridden a motorcycle exboyfil Aug 2012 #54

Like you, I don't ride reflection Aug 2012 #60

You have to take every situation on a case by case basis period.. snooper2 Aug 2012 #71

You know, I actually knew a (former) trucker reflection Aug 2012 #75

I'm a long time rider, over forty years.. Fumesucker Aug 2012 #94

Should not have attacked the cop. Rex Aug 2012 #98