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Gothmog

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61. I want to see what Mueller has to say

Thu Nov 8, 2018, 08:27 PM

Nov 2018

Just understand that facts do not matter to GOP senators and you will not likely find 17 to 19 GOP senators who will flip. They are too afraid of being attacked by trump and being primaried

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Until we have 67 Senators who will vote to impeach DT, attempts do so are futile. [View all] ehrnst Nov 2018 OP

We hold lots of investigations DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2018 #1

Yes. Demanding impeachment hearings in January will be counterproductive. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2018 #3

agreed that this is the way to go NewJeffCT Nov 2018 #23

The majority of Republican Senators will be up for reelection in 2020 htuttle Nov 2018 #2

:) Apparently so! The nation's taken a shift to the left. Hortensis Nov 2018 #69

Why malaise Nov 2018 #4

He knew that there were Republicans that would vote him out. It was another era, another GOP. ehrnst Nov 2018 #5

And a spineless, complict Republican party desperately holding onto power by catbyte Nov 2018 #52

Yep. W_HAMILTON Nov 2018 #6

In what way are "we refusing to punish Republicans?" ehrnst Nov 2018 #8

By not impeaching if Trump is found to have committed impeachable crimes. W_HAMILTON Nov 2018 #20

That's what investigations are for... ehrnst Nov 2018 #29

Senators dont vote to impeach thatz s the house Fullduplexxx Nov 2018 #7

Actually yes, they do. The House votes and makes the case to the Senate, then the Senate votes. ehrnst Nov 2018 #11

The house votes to impeach the senate votes to remove Fullduplexxx Nov 2018 #13

Correct malaise Nov 2018 #16

Yes the house votes, but the Senate has to remove. We don't have the votes in the Senate. ehrnst Nov 2018 #22

I fully understand the process im not the one who said that we need 67 senators to impeach Fullduplexxx Nov 2018 #42

Clinton JennyMominFL Nov 2018 #14

Yes, without the 67 votes in the Senate, impeachment is futile. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2018 #24

If we have the votes we should go ahead with impeaching him regardless of the Senate. honest.abe Nov 2018 #9

It would be a waste of resources and time. ehrnst Nov 2018 #17

If we dont, then the assumption is he doesnt deserve to be impeached. honest.abe Nov 2018 #19

Not impeaching when it's futile doesn't mean "everything's GREAT!" ehrnst Nov 2018 #35

Trump is our version of Mussolini/Hitler. honest.abe Nov 2018 #37

If law enforcement is doing the exposing, the GOP can't say it's a witch hunt ehrnst Nov 2018 #38

I didnt say right out of the gate. honest.abe Nov 2018 #41

So why are you arguing with me? That's my whole point. ehrnst Nov 2018 #43

My argument is that we have to impeach. honest.abe Nov 2018 #45

No it is not. A show trial is the last thing we need at this juncture. Independents absolutely.... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2018 #44

God, how strong a case do you need??? honest.abe Nov 2018 #47

I'm sorry, but rightwingers were making a similar case for removing Obama. You can't just... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2018 #49

OMG, I cant believe you are comparing Obama to Trump. honest.abe Nov 2018 #51

I was making no comparison between the two. I merely stated that the same arguments you.... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2018 #56

Futile gestures cause people to lose faith brer cat Nov 2018 #68

When Democrats started the impeachment of Richard Nixon they didn't have the votes... PoliticAverse Nov 2018 #10

Nixon knew there would be Republicans who would vote to impeach. And we know our Senate GOP ehrnst Nov 2018 #12

You shame them into voting for impeachment Jersey Devil Nov 2018 #15

You don't start out with impeachment because the GOP has no shame. ehrnst Nov 2018 #18

There's just ONE shot at impeachment NastyRiffraff Nov 2018 #75

Shame? You think today's GOP has the capability of shame? They defended and confirmed Kavanaugh. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2018 #59

Agree 100%. BUT unprincipled self interest Hortensis Nov 2018 #70

There's an argument to be made for impeaching him anyway. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #21

They defended Kavanaugh. That's the precedent they sent. And now there are more of them.(nt) ehrnst Nov 2018 #25

We were still right in trying to block Kavanaugh even though we were going to lose. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #28

Of course we were. There wasn't any other option, and we had the possibilty of moving a few votes. ehrnst Nov 2018 #30

It takes 67 votes to convict and remove in the Senate Gothmog Nov 2018 #46

Clinton lied about having an affair. Trump is the most criminal president in history. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #48

I want to see what Mueller has to say Gothmog Nov 2018 #61

I know we wouldn't get conviction, but sometimes you just have to do what's right. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #63

Sometimes you have to do what's right Poiuyt Nov 2018 #71

Yes, republican Senators defended Kavanaugh and they gained seats on Tuesday.... George II Nov 2018 #65

I don't think we lost seats because of Kavanaugh. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #67

Exactly honest.abe Nov 2018 #26

Impeachment without a possibility of getting a conviction would make the Democrats look... George II Nov 2018 #64

We don't know that for sure. There's no precedent for a president *this* criminal. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #66

While it seems incontrovertible that the GOP would not vote to impeach and remove Mr. Ected Nov 2018 #27

I think that's what investigations are for. Not impeachment procedings. ehrnst Nov 2018 #32

While the statement in the OP is true, it is also true that until Mueller's report is released, plus still_one Nov 2018 #31

Impeachement would put the facts in front of the people Tribalceltic Nov 2018 #33

+1 honest.abe Nov 2018 #34

Actually, testimony puts the facts in front of the people. ehrnst Nov 2018 #36

I agree. elfin Nov 2018 #39

I think that demanding impeachment as soon as January is not only stupid ehrnst Nov 2018 #40

House impeaches. Senate convicts. haele Nov 2018 #50

However, Congress could refer Trump Jr and Eric Prince and Kushner.... dawg day Nov 2018 #53

That was the case with President Clinton Catherine Vincent Nov 2018 #54

The GOP lost seats in 1998 when they pulled this stunt Gothmog Nov 2018 #55

Good grief. There is no comparison. honest.abe Nov 2018 #62

So , Dems shouldnt propose any legislation the next 2 years either? Fiendish Thingy Nov 2018 #57

If the evidence is there maxrandb Nov 2018 #58

But it's important to let Trump know that option is always on the table Blue_Tires Nov 2018 #60

If the Mueller report shows that impeachment is warranted, then the House should proceed Poiuyt Nov 2018 #72

I wonder if repugs were waiting to see what happened at mid terms Buckeyeblue Nov 2018 #73

It raises awareness and also makes him do less harm n/t Odoreida Nov 2018 #74

Go after him legally. Taxes/business. AG. Mueller. Kavanaugh placement. All legally. Four prong. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #76

True, but... davekriss Nov 2018 #77

Impeach him and then let some of those vulnerable GOP Senators vote to aquit book_worm Nov 2018 #78

I'm sure the dems are waiting for the Mueller report. vsrazdem Nov 2018 #79