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Hermit-The-Prog

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52. ever hear "hacking" the machine?

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 01:24 AM

Nov 2018

Preventing paper stuffing is trivial -- the ballot can be handed to a poll worker in full view of anyone in the general public and representatives of each party.

You can never be certain with electronic voting devices. Electronic voting obscures the activity from both voter and the observing general public. The voter can only confirm that a change occurred in the machine. The voter cannot confirm that the vote or votes chosen are actually represented within the machine's tabulation. The public cannot confirm that the voter voted or that the machine properly tabulated that vote or votes.

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Unless you're from the South, it's hard to understand how monumental this is [View all] misanthrope Nov 2018 OP

Change comes more slowly than we would like comradebillyboy Nov 2018 #1

Good Point leftieNanner Nov 2018 #2

It's the new folks. greymattermom Nov 2018 #3

After election night, MI, NY and New England are more like Canada than the rest of the US. roamer65 Nov 2018 #4

If Abrams gets a run-off... dawg day Nov 2018 #5

They have already recruited poll workers for Dec. 4. greymattermom Nov 2018 #6

they need to junk the Diebold machines Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2018 #19

Brilliant!!! fierywoman Nov 2018 #21

Seriously? One could not get more insecure than that. LakeSuperiorView Nov 2018 #30

bold assertion without supporting evidence Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2018 #31

+1 We know Russians have hacked us. We know it takes seconds for "test" hackers to infiltrate flibbitygiblets Nov 2018 #35

Ever hear the term "stuffing the ballot box"? LakeSuperiorView Nov 2018 #48

ever hear "hacking" the machine? Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2018 #52

Handing a voter two valid ballots and relying on them to securely destroy the second LakeSuperiorView Nov 2018 #54

no reason to destroy second Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2018 #60

A paper ballot, marked by the voter, is far more secure. LakeSuperiorView Nov 2018 #62

you make valid, specific points Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2018 #65

Ok, I'll play devil's advocate... bullsnarfle Nov 2018 #69

That would be an acceptable alternate to a voter marked ballot. LakeSuperiorView Nov 2018 #73

That makes the votes either easily manipulated or public though. nolabear Nov 2018 #46

the red and blue was overboard Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2018 #51

Better. But marking is fine I think. Something, though, dammit! nolabear Nov 2018 #53

And Marco Rubio is pissed at the thought of a recount. lpbk2713 Nov 2018 #7

poor Lil Marco... AZ8theist Nov 2018 #20

You might want to do some research. cwydro Nov 2018 #8

So has Virginia misanthrope Nov 2018 #29

Many Repub Yankees have moved to NC unc70 Nov 2018 #45

It happened during Reconstruction BumRushDaShow Nov 2018 #9

It's us Yankees! babylonsister Nov 2018 #10

Some of us southerners have been Democrats and liberals TNNurse Nov 2018 #12

I was NOT putting down babylonsister Nov 2018 #13

I see a could bit of bashing of southerners here from time to time. TNNurse Nov 2018 #14

Not from me. babylonsister Nov 2018 #16

When the first part of your post reads "Unless you're from the South" charlyvi Nov 2018 #36

This is not my OP, so I never said that. nt babylonsister Nov 2018 #38

Sorry. charlyvi Nov 2018 #40

It happens! babylonsister Nov 2018 #44

"Unless you played Major League Baseball misanthrope Nov 2018 #47

Unless you're totally insensitive charlyvi Nov 2018 #49

I've been in Alabama for 54 years misanthrope Nov 2018 #50

I've lived in Alabama for 35 years. charlyvi Nov 2018 #61

This thread is filled with others from the South misanthrope Nov 2018 #70

You truly are misanthropic aren't you? charlyvi Nov 2018 #74

Why, thank you! misanthrope Nov 2018 #79

I love James Joyce! (I'm an English major) charlyvi Nov 2018 #80

I hold no animus, misanthrope Nov 2018 #81

I'm totally with you, TNNurse. KY_EnviroGuy Nov 2018 #25

Born and raised by liberal republican parents LiberalArkie Nov 2018 #34

Then you should know how lonely it can be misanthrope Nov 2018 #37

No it isn't -- the ones here in SOFL did not vote for Gillum obamanut2012 Nov 2018 #22

Mr Sedona came from LA to work in Yallywood. Sedona Nov 2018 #11

I agree with your conclusion The Liberal Lion Nov 2018 #15

this Pacifist Patriot Nov 2018 #32

Hey I live in Duval too. lark Nov 2018 #58

I thank you for your efforts. The Liberal Lion Nov 2018 #64

Yes, happy days (almost) are here again SCantiGOP Nov 2018 #17

I was living in Georgia in the late '90's and early '00's Spider Jerusalem Nov 2018 #18

You would have had 100 angry responses to that post years ago Awsi Dooger Nov 2018 #39

Yeah, I knew Barnes was toast because of the flag issue before the election Spider Jerusalem Nov 2018 #42

I am from the South and this is awesome. recovering_democrat Nov 2018 #23

Yes. US is progressive liberal nation if remove gerrymandering, dirty tricks, & voter suppression. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2018 #24

And lies by the boatload. KY_EnviroGuy Nov 2018 #27

I think a bit of thanks is due to President Obama. Their world did not come to an end and he did monmouth4 Nov 2018 #26

Including his campaign efforts this time. KY_EnviroGuy Nov 2018 #28

Thinking this too. What a fine person. mahina Nov 2018 #55

Very interesting perspective. BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2018 #33

Have you read Colin Woodard's "American Nations"? misanthrope Nov 2018 #41

No, it sounds innnnnteresting!!! BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2018 #43

It is Astounding! Appreciate Cha Nov 2018 #56

Thanks for that window in! mahina Nov 2018 #57

Georgia has been between 30 and 40 percent black forever and has never SweetieD Nov 2018 #59

I know it's really is exciting to see TNLib Nov 2018 #63

Born & raised in the deep deep south. I know how remarkable that is. Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #66

What is disappointing edhopper Nov 2018 #67

Abrams ran an unapologetic progressive campaign Politicub Nov 2018 #68

the other thing that fascinates me is how close these races are, despite the voter suppression niyad Nov 2018 #71

Texas moved closer to turning blue Gothmog Nov 2018 #72

Did it ever TexasBushwhacker Nov 2018 #75

Brian Middleton is a friend Gothmog Nov 2018 #76

Amazing indeed TexasBushwhacker Nov 2018 #77

Lina spoke at the October meeting of the Harris County Democratic Lawyers Association Gothmog Nov 2018 #78

Yes, monumental. recovering_democrat Nov 2018 #82