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NashvilleLefty

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108. This is the SMARTEST post I have ever read here.

Wed Aug 15, 2012, 09:07 PM

Aug 2012

Yes, it's long, but really quite concise considering the scope.

I really loved the comparison to other countries, and how we should look to the ones that are successful as opposed to "pointing fingers". If anything, the countries who used the "austerity" plans that many are supporting are the ones that are in the most trouble.

viguy007, welcome to DU! Please don't be put off by some of the sandbox antics that you will sometimes see here. Your perspective is EXACTLY what we need here!

I have forwarded this post to several friends, including those who are active on other boards. EVERYONE needs to read this.

I may not agree with you 100%, but I would say that I agree 99.9999997%.

Which is why I have always supported at least a 2-party (if not more) system. Open debate. Which seems to be lost today.

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"For the first time in my life, I will be voting against a Republican candidate for president." [View all] CJCRANE Aug 2012 OP

Wow. I have to post this on my FB account. Very valuable and informative. nt live love laugh Aug 2012 #1

Facebook has at least 83 million fake users, who's going to read it? just1voice Aug 2012 #83

The 750 million or so real users. tridim Aug 2012 #94

Damn that was a long read but LittleGirl Aug 2012 #2

Wow.... ewagner Aug 2012 #3

Definitely the longest post I've EVER read on DU but every word was pure gold. Bravo ! BlueJazz Aug 2012 #4

First may I say Welcome to DU viguy007! rurallib Aug 2012 #5

what a rotten person that is...State's Rights rules Civil Rights? Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #6

The conversation continues and the journey continues. CJCRANE Aug 2012 #8

Thank you for your help, this is new post you can help me with , its title is: A Battle Cry viguy007 Aug 2012 #158

Here you go, I've posted it here - CJCRANE Aug 2012 #159

Thank you, I now have enough posts where I can start a thread on my own. viguy007 Aug 2012 #161

I worry when we take the stand that we must agree on all the issues or we agree on no issues. Squinch Aug 2012 #12

+1 DeeDeeNY Aug 2012 #43

+1, you nailed it. just1voice Aug 2012 #85

True that - State's Rights is code for bigot. DURHAM D Aug 2012 #113

most people who change lifelong fundamental beliefs - don't change 100% all at once Douglas Carpenter Aug 2012 #116

Yes, I am a republican viguy007 Aug 2012 #117

Not so fast... Please, introduce yourself. Albert_Wentworth Aug 2012 #123

Seems this must have struck a nerve on the "right"... hlthe2b Aug 2012 #124

Thank you for your concern. Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #131

You don't care ...? Albert_Wentworth Aug 2012 #132

Your concern is noted. Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #133

It will never 'be exposed' because guess what?! It's too damning to the Right! lunatica Aug 2012 #146

Well, now there's a Republican I'd vote for! Squinch Aug 2012 #7

This is PRECISELY why the Democrats must be centrist. CabCurious Aug 2012 #9

A plurality of Americans are conservative CJCRANE Aug 2012 #11

This country leans center-right. It really does. CabCurious Aug 2012 #14

A lot of Americans claim to be conservative but nevertheless, Jackpine Radical Aug 2012 #33

Many moderate conservatives lean progressive on SOCIAL issues CabCurious Aug 2012 #37

But center right as of when? The center right of 10 years ago is now considered left by the right. Squinch Aug 2012 #34

That's the irony of the right's hostility towards moderates... CabCurious Aug 2012 #36

I agree with much of what you've said, but... Blanks Aug 2012 #46

Agree 100% CabCurious Aug 2012 #49

" The complete commercialization of our information will be our downfall." Jackpine Radical Aug 2012 #110

:) CabCurious Aug 2012 #136

I don't agree that this country leans center right Poiuyt Aug 2012 #151

I asked earlier outsideworld Aug 2012 #134

I think it's okay, go ahead. CJCRANE Aug 2012 #145

"MAJORITY of Americans are CONSERVATIVE" barbtries Aug 2012 #25

Being "conservative" doesn't mean social conservative or radical-right CabCurious Aug 2012 #28

Check out this site truebluegreen Aug 2012 #45

Love the link, but... on an objective, global spectrum... we're center-right. CabCurious Aug 2012 #48

Actually, no. RC Aug 2012 #74

You just made my point CabCurious Aug 2012 #91

And even in a relativist sense, we're to the right of USA in 1980. CabCurious Aug 2012 #92

Just anecdotal laundry_queen Aug 2012 #144

$100 says that was about social issues, not economic CabCurious Aug 2012 #154

LOL, like you were actually going to pay me anyway. laundry_queen Aug 2012 #156

Is the website you gave us to check out Yours? riverbendviewgal Aug 2012 #89

YOU LIE datasuspect Aug 2012 #50

Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #87

Edit your offensive title line please. Son of Gob Aug 2012 #90

cool post bro datasuspect Aug 2012 #101

You're ok with that title line? Son of Gob Aug 2012 #103

Cool jury results bro. I guess you'd have voted to leave it. Too bad bro. Son of Gob Aug 2012 #105

This country leans slightly right. I didn't say it leans far-right or into crazy. :) CabCurious Aug 2012 #125

bullshit datasuspect Aug 2012 #130

do you do anything besides call people liars and full of shit? nt CabCurious Aug 2012 #137

Not conservative; uneducated, apolitical and dare I say, hijacked. Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #58

exactly rockingirl Aug 2012 #96

There's no "talking with" the hardliners on social issues. CabCurious Aug 2012 #127

Those talking points are anything but Centrist. Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #128

Trickle down isn't centrist. And bottom-up isn't left. CabCurious Aug 2012 #135

Did you read the post you responded to Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #139

In a global spectrum, Keynesian/mixed economy theory is centrist, not left. CabCurious Aug 2012 #140

You are defending Reagan - on an Econ thread? Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #143

"where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost." - Reagon, 1980 CabCurious Aug 2012 #155

I disagree davidthegnome Aug 2012 #69

A Centralest Democrat now, is to the Right of Republicans of 40 years ago. RC Aug 2012 #77

The center is wide, in my view (and I don't count libertarians who claim to be independent) CabCurious Aug 2012 #126

drivel DURHAM D Aug 2012 #104

I'm an independent Barry2012 Aug 2012 #10

Welcome to DU and Inuca Aug 2012 #18

Welcome to DU, Barry! VWolf Aug 2012 #20

We need hope again (and reasoned independents) CabCurious Aug 2012 #23

i like your first post Barry2012 barbtries Aug 2012 #26

Yeah, right. Like your screen name doesn't give you away. HERVEPA Aug 2012 #32

THAT NOLALady Aug 2012 #38

Amen. DURHAM D Aug 2012 #106

That's good, and all . . . . but just a nitpick . . . . HughBeaumont Aug 2012 #42

+1. You see a sheep clothing wardrobe failure? 'Barry' is what Rush and his Dittoheads call Obama. freshwest Aug 2012 #55

Very sorry Barry2012 Aug 2012 #70

For that, you would need to ask the Administrators Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #93

Oh, come on. I like your screen name. Quantess Aug 2012 #141

Welcome to DU riverbendviewgal Aug 2012 #84

This should be spread far and wide randr Aug 2012 #13

Don't forget to include torture camps and civilian killing in their "manifesto" just1voice Aug 2012 #86

This is the type of Republican I remember SnowCritter Aug 2012 #15

Romney used to govern more as a moderate. ananda Aug 2012 #16

He jumped from that ship in Fall 2007 (nt) CabCurious Aug 2012 #17

Same thing happened to McCain. n/t progressoid Aug 2012 #35

Romney does or and says whatever he thinks he needs to get support JI7 Aug 2012 #107

Welcome and thank you for the thoughtful and detailed post. Skidmore Aug 2012 #19

Kicked, recommended and tweeted Lucy Goosey Aug 2012 #21

just wow.... what he said. n/t 4_TN_TITANS Aug 2012 #22

Great post Vietnameravet Aug 2012 #24

Kick to read later PatSeg Aug 2012 #27

Great pragmatic, well reasoned, post. Well worth the read! nt mikekohr Aug 2012 #29

Hope you don't mind if I sent this, in total, to my Republican brother-in-law! sinkingfeeling Aug 2012 #30

welcome grantcart Aug 2012 #31

Well done, worth the read Marrah_G Aug 2012 #39

I'm glad you pointed that out. Blanks Aug 2012 #51

We have a rare phenomenon... pink-o Aug 2012 #40

K&R Raffi Ella Aug 2012 #41

Long but worth it.... johnny156 Aug 2012 #44

If they did, they wouldn't be supporting him in the first place. Jamaal510 Aug 2012 #64

excellent Sheepshank Aug 2012 #47

helpful advertising hint datasuspect Aug 2012 #52

You are not alone fredamae Aug 2012 #53

Oh God, where do I start? zzaapp Aug 2012 #54

Those countries do NOT all have universal "socialized" healthcare. kestrel91316 Aug 2012 #56

I was hospitalized in Spain during a vacation and it was free (100% American w/ US passport) DonRedwood Aug 2012 #60

K&R... Historic NY Aug 2012 #57

Just 1 correction... Strega Ribiera Aug 2012 #59

Now if I could just remember beveeheart Aug 2012 #61

This was really written by a Republican? EC Aug 2012 #62

This person shows he loves his country more then he hates dems. We should all southernyankeebelle Aug 2012 #63

Sir rtracey Aug 2012 #65

I hope more Repub. voters will take such a clear-eyed look at their club... polichick Aug 2012 #66

So, from this lenghty response am I correct Bainbridge Bear Aug 2012 #67

DU's version of Born Again whatchamacallit Aug 2012 #95

Yeah, same thought as well. wickerwoman Aug 2012 #114

I have a family member who wants to be a moderate fiscal republican marlakay Aug 2012 #68

Like many have already said. Wow. Smickey Aug 2012 #71

No not the award. Smickey Aug 2012 #147

Does this mean I am talking to myself? Smickey Aug 2012 #148

K & R Care Acutely Aug 2012 #72

Thanks for your work putting this all together. EXCELLENT POST! pnwmom Aug 2012 #73

Welcome. You are not alone. nt Cognitive_Resonance Aug 2012 #75

Marked amuse bouche Aug 2012 #76

Should be submitted . . . Richard D Aug 2012 #78

Welcome to D.U. viguy007. Uncle Joe Aug 2012 #79

kick samsingh Aug 2012 #80

Repukes sure are popular around here, especially around economics just1voice Aug 2012 #81

THis should be printed and talked about riverbendviewgal Aug 2012 #82

Replying Because I Want to be Able to Find this Later Xyzse Aug 2012 #88

Hearty KICK and a HIGH Recommend for good old fashioned common sense! Raster Aug 2012 #97

CJCRANE (12,166 posts ) 4 t 4 Aug 2012 #99

You did read the VERY FIRST PART OF THE POST, RIGHT? Raster Aug 2012 #102

Bravo! Extremely well written. I'm bookmarking this one. McCamy Taylor Aug 2012 #98

yes really well done after 21,000 4 t 4 Aug 2012 #100

This is the SMARTEST post I have ever read here. NashvilleLefty Aug 2012 #108

To viguy007: A hearty welcome to DU ! steve2470 Aug 2012 #109

K&R you said it! airplaneman Aug 2012 #111

In here are some hints on how to run people that can provide useful votes in red districts TheKentuckian Aug 2012 #112

I read this right after vi posted it Astazia Aug 2012 #115

Brilliant! AnnieK401 Aug 2012 #118

Rec #260 CJCRANE Aug 2012 #119

Thank you very much. viguy007 Aug 2012 #121

Just send me a personal message, or reply to one of my posts, when you're ready. CJCRANE Aug 2012 #122

But before I publish this is there anyway outsideworld Aug 2012 #149

I don't know any more than he has written CJCRANE Aug 2012 #150

This message was self-deleted by its author outsideworld Aug 2012 #120

Well written trocar Aug 2012 #129

Not Voting for Republican rjlobo422 Aug 2012 #138

Very happy you are doing this. Jack Sprat Aug 2012 #142

Found this doing a search of "Republicans Voting for Obama" jwhitesj Aug 2012 #152

Look at the dates. It was posted here on DU first. nt CJCRANE Aug 2012 #153

Um, with all due respect to a new Obama voter... brooklynite Aug 2012 #157

I agree with you 100% viguy007 Aug 2012 #160