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4. It's fu_ked up all right. Hope in 2020 we get the Senate and kick turtleman to the curb...

Reply to Cyrano (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2018, 12:19 PM

Nov 2018

then maybe roll back some of these repug excesses.

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Seems that the Senate has become a constitutional suicide pact [View all] Cyrano Nov 2018 OP

We need to do away with the Senate dumbcat Nov 2018 #1

Or have a more proportionate representation? Zambero Nov 2018 #26

This, makes a lot of sense to me! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2018 #37

Actually, that makes a lot of sense Bettie Nov 2018 #45

I was thinking 2-6 tinrobot Nov 2018 #46

Why bother? dumbcat Nov 2018 #58

Yep, the founding fathers never envisioned, nor could they have, this rigged mess we have today. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2018 #2

We must drop the Senate just as the Brits effectively cut off the House of Lords DemocracyMouse Nov 2018 #30

The senate makes no sense to me. Why should states with few residents have as much say as states RKP5637 Nov 2018 #36

Agree, the founders never envisioned radius777 Nov 2018 #60

Exactly: "The current system is bullshit, basically taxation w/o representation." And then add in RKP5637 Nov 2018 #61

Corrupt redistricting is what has made this so problematic... hlthe2b Nov 2018 #3

Gerrymandering and redistricting has nothing to do with the disproportion in the Senate. euphorb Nov 2018 #7

Fully aware, but the overrepresentation of the Senate by low population states is only hlthe2b Nov 2018 #14

Gerrymandering influences the House. Not the Senate. Cyrano Nov 2018 #8

Fully aware, but the overrepresentation of the Senate by low population states is only hlthe2b Nov 2018 #11

The founding father likely did not anticipate election by direct vote of the entire adult populace DBoon Nov 2018 #27

It's fu_ked up all right. Hope in 2020 we get the Senate and kick turtleman to the curb... brush Nov 2018 #4

Turdman is one of the greatest problems going in the senate IMO. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2018 #38

Yes, it's friggin BS. Obviously, don't think the Founders could've have foreseen ... mr_lebowski Nov 2018 #5

No system can last forever marylandblue Nov 2018 #6

So true! lamsmy Nov 2018 #29

Well said IMO!!! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2018 #39

It's incredibly difficult to amend the Constitution Cyrano Nov 2018 #42

Forty million, not four million. ffr Nov 2018 #9

Correct. My bad. I fixed it. Cyrano Nov 2018 #10

The Senate has always been the Great Compromise Azathoth Nov 2018 #12

It's a serious problem zipplewrath Nov 2018 #13

Or we could just order people to move to low population areas MichMan Nov 2018 #22

It's not getting rid of it zipplewrath Nov 2018 #23

it's this way by design. the senate was never meant to represent the people. unblock Nov 2018 #15

I wonder if the founders would give a fig BeyondGeography Nov 2018 #16

the framers would never have dreamed their system would last more than two centuries. unblock Nov 2018 #18

Well said BeyondGeography Nov 2018 #20

In 2020 Dems will gain control of Senate for a long time unc70 Nov 2018 #17

Not according to Nate zipplewrath Nov 2018 #24

Yeah, 2020 doesn't actually look so good. For starters, keeping that Alabama seat will be tough. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #47

Well... 2naSalit Nov 2018 #19

De tocqueville's "tyranny of the majority" was over compensated for. HopeAgain Nov 2018 #28

That means that we will have to make an effort 2naSalit Nov 2018 #59

The Senate was not created sarisataka Nov 2018 #21

Yabbut zipplewrath Nov 2018 #25

So what maybe the number of Senators should be fixed at the ratio of greymattermom Nov 2018 #31

Probably not zipplewrath Nov 2018 #44

DC, PR, VI and Guam statehood would JCMach1 Nov 2018 #32

It's much easier for Democrats to repair relations with rural America YessirAtsaFact Nov 2018 #33

"Deets, not doom," should be a bumper sticker, in your honor. Sam3 Nov 2018 #34

Deets? YessirAtsaFact Nov 2018 #35

ESL IMHO n/t rzemanfl Nov 2018 #51

This, would be an excellent approach IMO. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2018 #40

The Senate was set up this way so that each state has equal representation. CrispyQ Nov 2018 #41

States are not people Cyrano Nov 2018 #43

Can there be a Senate that represents the majority? No. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #48

Yep. The constitution needs fixing. Cyrano Nov 2018 #49

This very problem is why Republicans would have an easier time amending the Constitution. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #50

The senate math could be corrected by adding states standingtall Nov 2018 #52

Yes. Would really like to see Puerto Rico push for statehood Cyrano Nov 2018 #53

Senators are supposed to represent their states Buckeyeblue Nov 2018 #54

The Senate works just as intended acting to maintain the status quo pecosbob Nov 2018 #55

Not exactly Maven Nov 2018 #57

Yes, we have a Constitution that is now serving to impose minority rule on the population Maven Nov 2018 #56