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140. Vitriol vs ambivalence

Reply to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Wed Nov 14, 2018, 04:48 PM

Nov 2018

Hadn't thought about this much before but have been seeing lots of threads on this topic lately. Up until now, I've been mostly ambivalent on this.

Thinking more and not seeing good concrete reasons I'm starting to realize my ambivalence is really coming from hearing from friends and coworkers about how they hate her without ever saying exactly why. Pretty embarrassing.

Being too lazy or not having the words to counter that is hardly a reason to not support Pelosi. The same vitriol was aimed at Hillary. Whoever we put in leadership roles, particularly women are prone to that. We need to better at countering that bs. Pelosi got Obamacare through the house which is enough in my book.

I'm ok with debate and a vote, but for now I support Pelosi as speaker. As you say we should be defending our own and attacking republicans.

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Why are DEMOCRATS fighting Pelosi but McConnell goes untouched????? [View all] Stinky The Clown Nov 2018 OP

Don't Republicans in the House have their own leadership battle? NewJeffCT Nov 2018 #1

We need Nancy for 2 years DownriverDem Nov 2018 #66

I didn't say anything about Nancy Pelosi NewJeffCT Nov 2018 #77

hmmm. Not sure I see it....the "take it to trump". Think she has Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2018 #81

Are you saying that Nancy is the democratic Chickensoup Nov 2018 #152

Yes they do, and McCarthy, a more reasonable one (is that possible??) is the likely winner. George II Nov 2018 #96

McCarthy is the somewhat sane extreme conservative NewJeffCT Nov 2018 #100

McCarthy was just elected Minority Leader a few minutes ago. George II Nov 2018 #117

Imagine Maxine Waters as Speaker! She is willing and able to do Trump a lot of harm. AllTooEasy Nov 2018 #115

Because "Post removed" needs somewhere to post? n/t rzemanfl Nov 2018 #2

Ha!! :-D NurseJackie Nov 2018 #5

Bazinga! George II Nov 2018 #17

lol JHan Nov 2018 #29

I am stealing thqt for future use! JDC Nov 2018 #37

Okay.. now that's funny shit right there. Amimnoch Nov 2018 #55

whoop whoop elmac Nov 2018 #57

what? what? George II Nov 2018 #151

Well played.... ehrnst Nov 2018 #83

Yes indeedy! Cha Nov 2018 #126

That guy is indefatigable! Codeine Nov 2018 #146

Deserve's got nothing to do with it Loki Liesmith Nov 2018 #3

+100. Our tea partiers want power Hortensis Nov 2018 #43

Your questions and observations are valid. You're not the only one who would like an answer. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #4

I think a lot of it is the same reason my stepdaughter is always yelling at her dad. haele Nov 2018 #12

yup JHan Nov 2018 #30

Yep! A whole lot of pontificating goin' on. Seems to usually justhanginon Nov 2018 #74

Very insightful Farmer-Rick Nov 2018 #75

This is not the time to show a divided Democratic Party In It to Win It Nov 2018 #6

Only a certain type, a few. Hortensis Nov 2018 #60

Excellent question. Makes one wonder about some "Democrats", doesn't it? George II Nov 2018 #7

Theirs Would Be A Vote For THe GOP & Comrade Trump Me. Nov 2018 #69

That's not fighting, it's democracy in action janterry Nov 2018 #8

Yup. And I support Pelosi. She's done a better than great job overall and I can see no good KPN Nov 2018 #21

I've seen the media ask just about every dem who won a seat if they will support Pelosi spanone Nov 2018 #9

I think it's entirely possible that some of this is staged. Bleacher Creature Nov 2018 #10

I LIKE that: PCIntern Nov 2018 #15

Whoops!! Bleacher Creature Nov 2018 #18

Great slip! PCIntern Nov 2018 #20

Google can be very creative. :) The chair Hortensis Nov 2018 #65

I'm sure it is. There isn't even anyone yet who has seriously considered being Speaker.... George II Nov 2018 #22

Too chicken shit romana Nov 2018 #32

Not Just Ryan Me. Nov 2018 #71

Or what their leaders agenda would be. Hortensis Nov 2018 #76

I just saw a quick on-the-run "interview" of one of the new Democratic members, she was asked.... George II Nov 2018 #79

Oh my. Hortensis Nov 2018 #90

Because Democrats fall out, but Republicans fall in line. DavidDvorkin Nov 2018 #11

No. Democrats think. Republicans blindly follow AllTooEasy Nov 2018 #92

How can they complain about Nancy Pelosi when we just had a huge win and dodged Jim Jordan? world wide wally Nov 2018 #13

Maxine Waters fired up more of the masses against Trump than Pelosi did. AllTooEasy Nov 2018 #93

I agree. shanny Nov 2018 #97

Also Schumer just got re-elected as leader and we lost seats in the Senate. brush Nov 2018 #14

I don't think Shumer should be the leader. People want new blood. When Pelosi and Shumer speak Pisces Nov 2018 #48

Don't kid yourself. It has plenty to do with her being a powerful woman... brush Nov 2018 #54

Make Maxine Waters the most power woman in America AllTooEasy Nov 2018 #95

Exactly right... Stellar Nov 2018 #63

Haven't heard about any PAC money but I do know Pelosi raises more money... brush Nov 2018 #101

It's on Open Secrets.... Stellar Nov 2018 #130

And the problem with Pacs raising money for Dems when everyone else and repugs... brush Nov 2018 #133

Personally, I like Nancy.. Stellar Nov 2018 #153

We expected to lose seats in the Senate jmowreader Nov 2018 #50

I am celebrating. I don't like that fact that many are trying to force out... brush Nov 2018 #56

How true jmowreader Nov 2018 #72

Hmmm. shanny Nov 2018 #98

Now see.. I don't like Schumer for Senate Cha Nov 2018 #123

Democrats are generally open-minded and think for themselves, i.e., they use their brains. KPN Nov 2018 #16

The curious thing is that people are whining about Pelosi but don't have anyone else in mind... George II Nov 2018 #19

Excellent post padah513 Nov 2018 #34

Maxine Waters - there you go AllTooEasy Nov 2018 #91

Because they're playing Putin's game nini Nov 2018 #23

+1 violetpastille Nov 2018 #25

How is picking one Demo over another "attacking our own"? AllTooEasy Nov 2018 #108

How is picking one Dem over another "Playing Putin's Game"? AllTooEasy Nov 2018 #109

No one is attacking Pelosi. Geez. Some people feel it is time for her to mentor someone SweetieD Nov 2018 #24

it is an attack...and the usual suspects are involved... Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #27

It is an attack mcar Nov 2018 #35

Bullshit: So desiring a Black woman like Waters or Kamala is an attack? AllTooEasy Nov 2018 #110

Kamala is a senator and is thus ineligible to be House Speaker mcar Nov 2018 #112

This message was self-deleted by its author AllTooEasy Nov 2018 #116

Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #118

WTF are you talking about? mcar Nov 2018 #122

Wow, mcar.. That Is WAY Cha Nov 2018 #125

It was quite hostile mcar Nov 2018 #131

And, Stupid! Cha Nov 2018 #134

Technically the Speaker of the House of Representatives does not even need to be a member kelly1mm Nov 2018 #127

I think she's savvy enough to already be doing that. George II Nov 2018 #38

+1 Pisces Nov 2018 #49

Very well said. guillaumeb Nov 2018 #53

She has been mentoring others - for over a decade. haele Nov 2018 #61

So instead of trying to dump Pelosi why not go for House Majority Leader? brush Nov 2018 #137

Because Republicans don't let Democrats demonetize their leaders...we shouldn't either. Demsrule86 Nov 2018 #26

Because they can actually walk and chew gum at the same time BeyondGeography Nov 2018 #28

Makes you wonder, doesn't it? mcar Nov 2018 #31

House Democrats don't vote on the Republican Senate leader. Renew Deal Nov 2018 #33

just to expand on your excellent points: This is not about legitimate challenges to leadership.. JHan Nov 2018 #36

when Democrats have a PR machine doing to McConnell what Republicans did to Pelosi... 0rganism Nov 2018 #39

WTF indeed. Old white man McConnell has no target on his back? Pelosi is attacked? ... Guilded Lilly Nov 2018 #40

Democrats aren't excessive, we already know what a POS McConnel is beachbum bob Nov 2018 #41

Stinky, this Democrat saidsimplesimon Nov 2018 #42

Damn pissed to see Democrats falling into ageist, sexist attacks. BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2018 #44

"If she were a man..." what? FiveGoodMen Nov 2018 #86

Men don't face the kind of sexism linked with ageism BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2018 #145

Perhaps. FiveGoodMen Nov 2018 #147

+100 blue-wave Nov 2018 #45

Good question. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2018 #46

Maybe because the Republicans are all lock step Nazi's? Hulk Nov 2018 #47

Opposition to voting for somebody for leadership Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2018 #52

No alternative?! Try Waters or Duckworth AllTooEasy Nov 2018 #111

Are they being put forward? Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2018 #121

Nice try.... Hulk Nov 2018 #149

True. But it works to their advantage. treestar Nov 2018 #144

Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #51

Welcome to DU. MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #62

Izzat so, I-Ching? We're back to CorpDem and Republican Lite slanders? wtf Hekate Nov 2018 #64

Someone had to prove the second reply in this thread was spot on. MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #84

Nancy Pelosi is one of the party's most effective leaders Gothmog Nov 2018 #58

Democrats are divided. democratisphere Nov 2018 #59

Because Seth Moulton Is Waging A Capmaign Against Her Me. Nov 2018 #67

These Five Guys, Me.. Cha Nov 2018 #120

Good Find Cha Me. Nov 2018 #132

Oh I dunno know.. Check out Ryan's threat.. Cha Nov 2018 #135

You'd Almost Think He Was A Con & A Comrade Trunp Supporter Me. Nov 2018 #138

Let's also not forget that @TimRyan threw reproductive rights to the wayside during the ACA fight Cha Nov 2018 #141

Keep Them Coming Cha! Me. Nov 2018 #142

lol.. Nancy has Strong Brilliant Cha Nov 2018 #143

Does he blackmail them duforsure Nov 2018 #68

Why do you think that Republicans demonized Pelosi? watoos Nov 2018 #70

Was wondering. Isn't it ok to admire, revere, and appreciate Nancy Pelosi, yet still Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2018 #73

THIS relayerbob Nov 2018 #78

I have no problem if new blood beats her out, watoos Nov 2018 #87

Could some of the Democrats elected really be Republicans with a "D" label INdemo Nov 2018 #80

Why bother voting on Speaker then? Just let her rule by decree if we're all supposed to just STFU. I BamaRefugee Nov 2018 #82

Along these lines. . . matt819 Nov 2018 #85

Tammy Duckworth started it FiveGoodMen Nov 2018 #89

You KNow, I Wasn't Aware That AOC Was A Bernie Staffer Me. Nov 2018 #136

Oh stop. Turtle gets attacked relentlessly. nt Azathoth Nov 2018 #88

I agree Rizen Nov 2018 #94

I don't know a single Democrat who thinks McConnell isn't the Devil. apnu Nov 2018 #99

Their side hates powerful women blue cat Nov 2018 #102

I think many on "our" side do, too. George II Nov 2018 #104

Exactly. This makes as much sense as protesting Al Gore to R B Garr Nov 2018 #103

Turtle abuse angers PETA TeamPooka Nov 2018 #105

There's plenty of air to deal with who we want as speaker. Its about the direction of the party. JCanete Nov 2018 #106

Count the threads here attacking Democrat AOC & compare to # of threads attacking McConnell... Kaleva Nov 2018 #107

I'm with you! The next GWC58 Nov 2018 #113

So true. TY. Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #114

And Dems Don't Have to "Demonize" Cha Nov 2018 #119

I think Cheri Bustos would do a good job. vsrazdem Nov 2018 #124

Republicans aren't swayed by public opinion Power 2 the People Nov 2018 #128

As usual. You can bet on Democrats to fuck up their wins Thrill Nov 2018 #129

Peter Ustinov did a very insightful (and very funny) photo book back in 1960: "Ustinov's Diplomats" DFW Nov 2018 #139

Vitriol vs ambivalence Midnightwalk Nov 2018 #140

The Left Eat Their Own Charlotte Little Nov 2018 #148

I cite Occam's Razor. ariadne0614 Nov 2018 #150