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In reply to the discussion: I don't care where you stand on Assange, what GB is doing sets a dangerous precedent [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(106,289 posts)6. Full (translated) text:
We are aware, and surprised by media reports in the last 24 hours, that Ecuador is about to take a decision and proposes to grant asylum to Mr. Assange. The reports quote official sources. We note that the (Ecuadorean) President (Rafael Correa) has stated that no decision has yet been made.
We are concerned, if true, that this might undermine our efforts to agree a joint text setting out the positions of both countries, allowing Mr. Assange to leave the Embassy.
As we have previously set out, we must meet our legal obligations under the European Arrest Warrant Framework Decision and the Extradition Act 2003, to arrest Mr. Assange and extradite him to Sweden. We remain committed to working with you amicably to resolve this matter. But we must be absolutely clear this means that should we receive a request for safe passage for Mr. Assange, after granting asylum, this would be refused, in line with our legal obligations.
In that light, and given the statements of the last 24 hours, we hope that you are prepared to continue to engage with the ongoing diplomatic discussions. We continue to believe that a solution is possible on the basis of a jointly agreed text, which would accompany Mr. Assange exiting the Embassy, and leading to his extradition.
We have a further meeting scheduled for Thursday 16th August. Given the statements made in Quito overnight, about an imminent decision, should we take it this meeting will be the final one to agree a joint text?
We have to reiterate that we consider continued use of diplomatic premises in this way, to be incompatible with the VCDR (Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations) and not sustainable, and that we have already made clear to you the serious implications for our diplomatic relations.
You should be aware that there is a legal basis in the U.K. the Diplomatic and Consular Premises Act which would allow us to take action to arrest Mr. Assange in the current premises of the Embassy.
We very much hope not to get this point, but if you cannot resolve the issue of Mr. Assange's presence on your premises, this route is open to us.
We understand the importance to you of the issues raised by Mr. Assange, and the strong public pressure in country. But we still have to resolve the situation on the ground, here in the U.K., in line with our legal obligations. We have endeavored to develop a joint text, which helps both meet your concerns, and presentational needs.
We believe a joint text and a voluntary surrender by Mr. Assange is the best way forward.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/aug/16/julian-assange-ecuador-embassy-asylum-live#block-502cd7d495cb03723d6abd04
We are concerned, if true, that this might undermine our efforts to agree a joint text setting out the positions of both countries, allowing Mr. Assange to leave the Embassy.
As we have previously set out, we must meet our legal obligations under the European Arrest Warrant Framework Decision and the Extradition Act 2003, to arrest Mr. Assange and extradite him to Sweden. We remain committed to working with you amicably to resolve this matter. But we must be absolutely clear this means that should we receive a request for safe passage for Mr. Assange, after granting asylum, this would be refused, in line with our legal obligations.
In that light, and given the statements of the last 24 hours, we hope that you are prepared to continue to engage with the ongoing diplomatic discussions. We continue to believe that a solution is possible on the basis of a jointly agreed text, which would accompany Mr. Assange exiting the Embassy, and leading to his extradition.
We have a further meeting scheduled for Thursday 16th August. Given the statements made in Quito overnight, about an imminent decision, should we take it this meeting will be the final one to agree a joint text?
We have to reiterate that we consider continued use of diplomatic premises in this way, to be incompatible with the VCDR (Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations) and not sustainable, and that we have already made clear to you the serious implications for our diplomatic relations.
You should be aware that there is a legal basis in the U.K. the Diplomatic and Consular Premises Act which would allow us to take action to arrest Mr. Assange in the current premises of the Embassy.
We very much hope not to get this point, but if you cannot resolve the issue of Mr. Assange's presence on your premises, this route is open to us.
We understand the importance to you of the issues raised by Mr. Assange, and the strong public pressure in country. But we still have to resolve the situation on the ground, here in the U.K., in line with our legal obligations. We have endeavored to develop a joint text, which helps both meet your concerns, and presentational needs.
We believe a joint text and a voluntary surrender by Mr. Assange is the best way forward.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/aug/16/julian-assange-ecuador-embassy-asylum-live#block-502cd7d495cb03723d6abd04
I think it was unwise to mention the Act. There are precedents for granting political asylum, and allowing the refugee to remain in an embassy for years, and I think it'd be hard to prove they're breaking the Vienna Convention. Mentioning before the official Ecuadorean decision does look like an attempt to pressurize them.
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I don't care where you stand on Assange, what GB is doing sets a dangerous precedent [View all]
cali
Aug 2012
OP
If David Camerwrong approves this it will merely confirm what most have suspected for a long time...
truebrit71
Aug 2012
#1
The UK cannot legally invade the Ecuador embassy. The threatening letter is a diplomatic
Swagman
Aug 2012
#12
There have been several cases in history when sovereign embassies were indeed violated.
totodeinhere
Aug 2012
#14
Can you provide examples of Embassy immunity stripping for purposes of raids?
morningfog
Aug 2012
#25
I believe it is an untested statute that came about when PC Fletcher was shot dead
Swagman
Aug 2012
#29
I think Assange is a sexual predator & and charlatan But the UK is being absurd with the threats...
CabCurious
Aug 2012
#23
you give a whole new meaning to 'sexual predator' that should frighten every young man.
Swagman
Aug 2012
#31
Yes. This isn't about any charges or even about Assange himself. This is about showing us what
Egalitarian Thug
Aug 2012
#34