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LadyHawkAZ

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52. Crap. Hogwash. Bunkum. Garbage.

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 03:02 PM

Aug 2012

This isn't about rape and never has been. Even if there had been a rape- which both women have denied- the behavior of the involved countries have buried any possibility of justice for it. Sweden is notorious for its horrible track record on rape- it has one of the worst rates of assault in the world and a horrible record of prosecution- but it's made an international case of Assange without even charging him. The UK is threatening to violate an embassy and risk an international incident on behalf of Sweden. Ecuador was in the right to offer him asylum.

And Americans have decided that no matter what else might be happening, he's a dirty filthy rapist because he's been accused and of course has no other side issues to worry about that might have made him run. You're right, many priorities have been uncovered.

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This Assange business definitely uncovers certain peoples' priorities [View all] Dreamer Tatum Aug 2012 OP

Or, Sir, People May Simply have Kept themselves Informed, and Drawn Conclusions You Do Not Like The Magistrate Aug 2012 #1

So much for erring on the side of the alleged rape victim Dreamer Tatum Aug 2012 #3

Your Problem, Sir, Remains: You Claim People Are Not Examining Evidence And Drawing Conclusions The Magistrate Aug 2012 #7

The fact that they are drawing conclusions based on politics is wrong. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2012 #26

Again, Sir: They Are Drawing Conclusions You Do Not Like, Which Does Not Make them Wrong The Magistrate Aug 2012 #48

As I said below, "sir," I give in. Anyone as great as Assange Dreamer Tatum Aug 2012 #50

There Are More Dignified ways, Sir, To Own Up To Having lost The Point The Magistrate Aug 2012 #55

I haven't lost any point. You've obscured it. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2012 #59

Try Again Any Time, Sweet-Heart.... The Magistrate Aug 2012 #64

Argument lost Aerows Aug 2012 #136

You've been pwned and smacked down hifiguy Aug 2012 #166

Hear, Hear. nt tsuki Aug 2012 #144

i really hate how the establishment pushes a right-leaning agenda under the cover of women's/ HiPointDem Aug 2012 #11

Like humanitarian war, it's another failed, transparent attempt to reclaim the moral high ground leveymg Aug 2012 #54

"make well-intended people allies" = the most disgusting aspect. including the corollary, painting HiPointDem Aug 2012 #56

There's a smarmy quality to this charade. Smug, self-satisfied, Puritanical yet sleazy leveymg Aug 2012 #70

"puritanical yet sleazy" = yes. but the puritanism is fake, only the political sleaziness is real. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #75

I disagree that people like Dreamer Tatum are "well intentioned" kenny blankenship Aug 2012 #77

A 'Dollar General Lavrenti Beria' Octafish Aug 2012 #169

+1000000000. nt riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #58

Well said, good sir. hifiguy Aug 2012 #20

Way to go. Good answer. n/t 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #76

Bingo. (nt) DirkGently Aug 2012 #149

I agree with Dreamer Tatum... liberallibral Aug 2012 #2

So you think a broken condom during consensual sex is rape? Lionessa Aug 2012 #138

US nationals taking refuge in the Embassy Downwinder Aug 2012 #4

He can hide under a pile of my dirty drawers if he wants. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2012 #5

"filthy fucking rapist" careful...your bias is showing... truebrit71 Aug 2012 #9

Gosh, sorry: he might be a FINE, UPSTANDING rapist. nt Dreamer Tatum Aug 2012 #29

and he might not be any kind of rapist 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #94

stipulated nt Dreamer Tatum Aug 2012 #100

Or he might not be a rapist at all...especially when you consider Sweden's sweeping definition... truebrit71 Aug 2012 #125

gosh he's a "filthy fucking rapist" but he hasn't even been charged. yes, some people's HiPointDem Aug 2012 #12

I didn't say he was. I said he might be. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2012 #28

and you just "might" have an "agenda" yourself frylock Aug 2012 #65

gots to say that it kind of sounds like you 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #90

Dreamer Tatum is a staunch feminst, like, all the time! Quantess Aug 2012 #104

would not have guessed it by the way 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #114

All I will say is, Quantess Aug 2012 #122

I agree the rape accusation is 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #127

You might be also? Neither of you have been charged. HERVEPA Aug 2012 #105

This one makes no sense treestar Aug 2012 #91

right, that's the ticket. it's really amusing to see all you folks twist yourselves up trying to HiPointDem Aug 2012 #101

Absolutely right. randome Aug 2012 #103

Yep treestar Aug 2012 #152

Well, you've certainly proven your point... Comrade Grumpy Aug 2012 #15

Well, we now where you stand on due process hifiguy Aug 2012 #21

Due process is waiting for him. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2012 #32

Sorry your attempts to smear Assange are failing so badly. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #40

Chuckle. Yeah, I'm *trying* to smear Assange. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2012 #43

I haven't seen anyone saying anything nearly like that at all 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #97

When all you've got is ridiculous strawmen, you've lost the argument entirely. EOTE Aug 2012 #119

That's really going too far..how do you know he is movonne Aug 2012 #41

I didn't say he was. I said he might be. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2012 #44

you might be one yourself.. frylock Aug 2012 #67

If I'm accused, I'd stand trial. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2012 #71

none of the women involved has accused him.. frylock Aug 2012 #79

I think the problem is 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #80

I imagine your own biases are much more righteous t LanternWaste Aug 2012 #85

and some will call you a filthy fucking rapist 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #86

exactly! 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #99

Wow you should have been in the Olympics with leaps of logic like that... truebrit71 Aug 2012 #6

I love to see the list of individuals who have had international arrest warrants morningfog Aug 2012 #8

Someone In the Libyan Embassy, Years Ago, Sir, Shot From the Building And Killed A Police Officer The Magistrate Aug 2012 #13

Anna Ardin denied that she was raped and is against Assange being charged. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #10

She did not deny it. She said she didn't want him charged with rape. randome Aug 2012 #33

shit is getting unhinged xchrom Aug 2012 #14

Or, alternatively, "tweaking the US MIC" makes him guilty of rape until proven innocent. Marr Aug 2012 #16

No you can't - that is not our legal standard and probably not Sweden's treestar Aug 2012 #98

That's right, he's guilty until proven innocent! backscatter712 Aug 2012 #17

you might care about the rape accusations Enrique Aug 2012 #18

I don't agree with everything you say, but... vaberella Aug 2012 #19

We all have biases, it's true. randome Aug 2012 #23

Except the women themselves aren't calling it "rape", nor did they want to press charges riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #34

Then let him go to Sweden treestar Aug 2012 #92

Sweden just has to agree to NOT extradite Assange to the US riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #109

Still, why demand that concession? treestar Aug 2012 #151

Why not? riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #155

didn't the rape victim admit to lying? 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #106

Yes it does reveal some people's priorities... ljm2002 Aug 2012 #22

I don't know if he's guilty. I do want him to be tried, however. Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #24

Shouldn't he be charged first? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #39

Silencing whistleblowers is our government's priority in this case. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2012 #25

My Point Proven, Part I. nt Dreamer Tatum Aug 2012 #36

Actually, that seems to be the exact opposite of your point. NT EOTE Aug 2012 #128

Karl Rove's involvement with Sweden's investigation of the Assange case puts librechik Aug 2012 #27

^^THIS^^ panader0 Aug 2012 #38

+1 hifiguy Aug 2012 #42

This case is about "rape" just like Clinton's impeachment was about "perjury" riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #30

My Point Proven, Part II. nt Dreamer Tatum Aug 2012 #35

Except the women themselves aren't calling it "rape", nor did they want to press charges riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #37

I give up. The sheer awe of his towering heroism has overtaken me Dreamer Tatum Aug 2012 #47

No answer. Thanks for proving MY point nt riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #53

parts I, II, III, and Epilogue.. frylock Aug 2012 #68

who is pursing the case since the women involved aren't? HiPointDem Aug 2012 #61

Here are the actual charges as provided by misanthrope. randome Aug 2012 #51

You know continuously re-publishing these allegations may ramp up your post count riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #57

Sweden wants him to take a DNA test. randome Aug 2012 #66

You've been answered ad nauseum. Feel free to check out any of the dozens of replies to your posts riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #72

Really, you're in his head? You spoke to him personally? Hissyspit Aug 2012 #74

Those aren't charges, they are accusations. Hissyspit Aug 2012 #60

Then why is he afraid to submit to a DNA test?z randome Aug 2012 #108

Who says he is? Simply because he won't return to Sweden? NT EOTE Aug 2012 #130

I'm absolutely certain that Assange's lawyers have offered him to take the test in the UK riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #157

You're absolutely right. EOTE Aug 2012 #161

dream on, dear Dreamer 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #113

Why doesn't that apply to Herman Cain, then? treestar Aug 2012 #93

Sweden as a state actor is going after Assange riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #117

DU rec...nt SidDithers Aug 2012 #31

Oh please, give me a break! ananda Aug 2012 #45

B.S. n/t DeSwiss Aug 2012 #46

You're putting the cart before the horse - the tweak of the US MIC likely led to the allegation. leveymg Aug 2012 #49

Crap. Hogwash. Bunkum. Garbage. LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #52

Brava! hifiguy Aug 2012 #63

I am not a fan of Assange but you have to be somewhat gullible to believe that these charges grantcart Aug 2012 #62

Exactly, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2012 #69

That's what Republicans said about the Herman Cain accusations. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2012 #73

the difference being that is was the WOMEN making those accusations against cain.. frylock Aug 2012 #82

One of the women said she didn't MEAN for him to be charged. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2012 #83

why would he need to submit his DNA? frylock Aug 2012 #107

No, it doesn't. randome Aug 2012 #111

I think they may be saying that women who are raped 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #121

i took your ass off of ignore to respond to your baseless bullshit.. frylock Aug 2012 #126

Assange is wanted for questioning. randome Aug 2012 #84

so fucking question him.. frylock Aug 2012 #129

The accusers in the Cain allegations had made official complaints and received a settlement grantcart Aug 2012 #87

Context is everything. Old and In the Way Aug 2012 #95

Are you going for a gold medal in obtusity? EOTE Aug 2012 #133

so are you mad that Herman Cain was treated worse than Assange? datasuspect Aug 2012 #165

What's the point though treestar Aug 2012 #96

He has been very careful and it is unlikely that he broke any serious laws or they would grantcart Aug 2012 #132

Oh it most certainly does. villager Aug 2012 #78

I imagine many people can observe the leaks as one thing, an allegation of rape as a wholly separate LanternWaste Aug 2012 #81

"Certain Peoples Priorities"? Bragi Aug 2012 #88

We don't even know that what he did was so heroic, either treestar Aug 2012 #89

And I have yet to hear anyone describe the damage Assange did. randome Aug 2012 #102

"damage" is treestar and your word, not anyone else's. Hissyspit Aug 2012 #123

How can someone violate our statutes and be supposedly not have to be prosecuted? treestar Aug 2012 #148

Wikileaks is great! randome Aug 2012 #150

True, he just dumped a bunch of stuff treestar Aug 2012 #147

Nice straw man/mischaracterization. Hissyspit Aug 2012 #120

I don't think anyone is happy with anyone for damaging our Country 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #124

It's such a scattershot approach treestar Aug 2012 #146

maybe you haven't been noticing the coup in America 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #154

The sound of heads popping is such a beautiful thing! Puglover Aug 2012 #110

The UK government is doing the right thing. lightcameron Aug 2012 #112

Nonsense. Hissyspit Aug 2012 #115

He'll be living in that embassy forever. lightcameron Aug 2012 #118

The fuck it is... truebrit71 Aug 2012 #131

They're abusing their privilege, so they've forfeited sovereignty. lightcameron Aug 2012 #145

exactly are they "abusing the privilege?" Hissyspit Aug 2012 #153

Asylum? For RAPE accusations? Please. lightcameron Aug 2012 #156

Storming an embassy over rape accusations?? Please. riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #158

You do know what you did there, right? lightcameron Aug 2012 #163

Yeah, I thought you didn't have anything. Hissyspit Aug 2012 #159

You Know, Ma'am, Some People Just Come here for the Pizza.... The Magistrate Aug 2012 #160

Hold the peppers, might give him more gas nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #168

No substantive response. Figures. lightcameron Aug 2012 #162

Yeah... Hissyspit Aug 2012 #170

Bollocks...says who? The UK? Don't make me larf... truebrit71 Aug 2012 #164

Read the Geneva Convention nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #167

whatever happened to the UNREC button...? mike_c Aug 2012 #116

I don't know, I like these OPs which provide an opportunity to present FACTS and then sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #137

Would the UK threaten to attack an embassy over *any* other rape suspect? Posteritatis Aug 2012 #134

So he's been charged with Rape? When did this happen exactly? sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #135

Most people understand this isn't about rape ArcticFox Aug 2012 #139

Unrec...anyone who is following this should have grave suspicions joeybee12 Aug 2012 #140

This is yet another issue where I'm torn gollygee Aug 2012 #141

Part of why I know this isn't about rape for the governments involved gollygee Aug 2012 #142

Anyone that buys this farce is dedicated to such. The unusual and without precedent TheKentuckian Aug 2012 #143

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