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Captain Stern

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62. I didn't say it didn't cause any harm. I said it did cause harm.

Sat Nov 17, 2018, 10:59 PM

Nov 2018

I clearly said "It was the the things that happened after the cops arrived that caused harm." .......it's still there... you can go back, and read it.

I agree with pretty much everything you said, but that doesn't change what happened in this particular case. The employees thought it was weird the guy came in, didn't order, and kept looking at the mom and her kid. Maybe they wouldn't have called the cops if the guy was white...I don't know, but I'd understand if they had.

The real problem here is that even AFTER the cops knew the facts of the situation, they still asked the guy to leave. That isn't a matter of an unconscious bias, or a failure to ask a simple question. It's just straight up wrong.

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'Unwanted subject': What led a Kirkland yogurt shop to call police on a black man [View all] MrScorpio Nov 2018 OP

"The store owner, Cruz, said the police call had nothing to do with race" dalton99a Nov 2018 #1

Yeah right is spot on. Next time he should wear a badge that says -here on court appointed business iluvtennis Nov 2018 #20

When did Kirkland become Seattle? icymist Nov 2018 #64

Sorry, my bad...thought I had read it was suburb of Seattle. iluvtennis Nov 2018 #68

It is a suburb of Seattle JonLP24 Nov 2018 #70

Thank you. The pic the another poster posted made it seem like hundreds of miles away from iluvtennis Nov 2018 #72

Doesn't matter. Society has duds and just plain Hortensis Nov 2018 #78

It never has anything to do with race malaise Nov 2018 #45

Do better, white people. Damn. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2018 #2

"someone" is about face large lawsuits. nt irisblue Nov 2018 #3

I know where that shop is. I'm a little surprised and yet not. nolabear Nov 2018 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author pnwmom Nov 2018 #96

This is just a shame. Shrike47 Nov 2018 #5

I wonder if the cops could be construed as interfering with Kittycow Nov 2018 #6

Hopfully the damning yelp reviews will put a large dent in their income Merlot Nov 2018 #10

Twitter condemnation is even better. Kittycow Nov 2018 #11

So if you're doing "something" it's just as "suspicious" as if you're Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2018 #7

Yet another moronic "doing something while black" story. MineralMan Nov 2018 #8

We're expecting the run-of-the-mill police to do some independent thinking? erronis Nov 2018 #25

It's the culture of racism. MineralMan Nov 2018 #27

Fuck Menchies and fuck the police for Enforcing feelings instead of laws TeamPooka Nov 2018 #9

Great comment! LakeArenal Nov 2018 #28

kirkland is also the store brand at costco...this was not costco dembotoz Nov 2018 #12

That's where the name comes from. snort Nov 2018 #14

Have fun dembotoz Nov 2018 #29

That little shop should be avoided--updated and very different RainCaster Nov 2018 #13

Heavens, no! 2naSalit Nov 2018 #76

This is disgusting and sickening karin_sj Nov 2018 #15

Fucking Kirkland ismnotwasm Nov 2018 #16

What is it with the west coast? cwydro Nov 2018 #17

Lots of fairly segregated middle-to upper class white folks ismnotwasm Nov 2018 #18

+1, lack of exposure plays such a huge part in thought process's even with progressive people uponit7771 Nov 2018 #75

+1 obamanut2012 Nov 2018 #42

The Cops did not handle this appropriately at all. The empressof all Nov 2018 #19

Thank you for your neutral assessment. LisaM Nov 2018 #22

I recently met a commonsense police officer that used his head and the law to resolve a situation. Blue_true Nov 2018 #31

+1 - Agree and hope that the police reactions will be reviewed and corrected. erronis Nov 2018 #26

Okay atreides1 Nov 2018 #35

Not knowing he is with the other two and sitting there looking at the phone would have me speak out. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #36

He was required to be with them JonLP24 Nov 2018 #65

Wintryjade is right though Blue_playwright Nov 2018 #84

If the people who he was with ordered something and he is with them JonLP24 Nov 2018 #85

He wasn't visibly with them. Ms. Toad Nov 2018 #86

The only real question is ismnotwasm Nov 2018 #39

We will never know that The empressof all Nov 2018 #41

Haven't been to Kirkland in a while ismnotwasm Nov 2018 #48

Yes, I agree The empressof all Nov 2018 #49

NO, they would not have. happy feet Nov 2018 #82

The question is, if this were a white man octoberlib Nov 2018 #77

I spent the past 30 years working with people with cognitive disablilities pazzyanne Nov 2018 #79

Check all the reviews and comments on YELP.... lamp_shade Nov 2018 #21

+1. Racist behavior can be hazardous to your business dalton99a Nov 2018 #24

I want to take action. This is wrong and I'm sick of it. yardwork Nov 2018 #23

This is maddening. n/t pnwmom Nov 2018 #30

He should have informed the staff what he was doing beforehand. Maggiemayhem Nov 2018 #32

No, its none of their business. Would every customer have to do that? procon Nov 2018 #40

It was none of their business obamanut2012 Nov 2018 #44

Why? malaise Nov 2018 #46

What? A customer should call ahead to get permission to visit an ice cream shop? yardwork Nov 2018 #50

No. Just no. skypilot Nov 2018 #52

Maggiemayhem, people who are supervising visitations have privacy policies they have to follow. pazzyanne Nov 2018 #80

The person who called police and the officers should be exposed MountCleaners Nov 2018 #33

Well, he is Black and the two Yogurt Yolandas afflicted with POCfrightitis griloco Nov 2018 #34

K&R Scurrilous Nov 2018 #37

WAIT A MINUTE - what is the rest of the story? The article says kid wanted ice cream, so didnt Kashkakat v.2.0 Nov 2018 #38

Mom and kid, or at least kid, bought ice cream. The visit supervisor did not - Ms. Toad Nov 2018 #66

A good book on this general issue--by Chris Hayes Maeve Nov 2018 #43

I don't have a problem with the cops being called in this case. Captain Stern Nov 2018 #47

Now that just makes way too much sense... mac2766 Nov 2018 #51

Since when do cops need to be called when someone hasnt ordered in a certain amt of time??? Just Kashkakat v.2.0 Nov 2018 #53

I agree with you, if this is a place where staff takes orders at the tables. Captain Stern Nov 2018 #54

You want an answer to your question then you go ask them. You want to inform them of your Kashkakat v.2.0 Nov 2018 #56

That works great in a perfect world. Captain Stern Nov 2018 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author Kashkakat v.2.0 Nov 2018 #59

Didn't cause any harm? BlueWI Nov 2018 #61

I didn't say it didn't cause any harm. I said it did cause harm. Captain Stern Nov 2018 #62

You're missing the point happy feet Nov 2018 #81

No, this wasn't just about sitting without ordering. It was about possible stalking. pnwmom Nov 2018 #94

They were glad when he was taken away JonLP24 Nov 2018 #63

I am assuming police didn't explain anything to them. LisaL Nov 2018 #73

He says it was just another Wednesday for him JonLP24 Nov 2018 #74

It wasn't just that. It was the way he was sitting and watching pnwmom Nov 2018 #93

Yes. This is just what should have happened. pnwmom Nov 2018 #92

"Can I take your order, Sir?" Simple question. Then depending on response either Kashkakat v.2.0 Nov 2018 #55

It's a self serving place as far as I can tell, they don't take orders there. LisaL Nov 2018 #69

YES I KNOW. Just saying "may I help you" is a non confrontational way to approach a customer to Kashkakat v.2.0 Nov 2018 #88

He was sitting at a separate table, just watching them. pnwmom Nov 2018 #95

What Is Wrong With People In This Country erpowers Nov 2018 #58

WHERE does it say anything about guy sitting separately and staring at people? Either yall are Kashkakat v.2.0 Nov 2018 #60

Says in the article he was sitting adjacent to the mother and child. betsuni Nov 2018 #67

He was sitting at a separate table. LisaL Nov 2018 #71

Listen to the 911 call. He was sitting at a table by himself. Ms. Toad Nov 2018 #87

Well OK, still have to insist that the onus really is on the store to initiate an interaction to Kashkakat v.2.0 Nov 2018 #89

I was only addressing your contention that people sere making it up. n/t Ms. Toad Nov 2018 #90

Understood - thx nt Kashkakat v.2.0 Nov 2018 #91

Jebus Crisp.What's wrong with people who look like me? This crap is just plain wrong. marble falls Nov 2018 #83