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MADem

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147. Errrrrr....how about JFK SENIOR? His daddy was a bootlegger and a starlet-screwer, but he was also

Thu Aug 16, 2012, 04:40 PM

Aug 2012

the Frigging Ambassador to Great Britain--those kids moved in rarified political circles from an early age. And their Grampa on their Momma's side was one of The Most Connected Politicians in Greater Boston, even after his mayoral days.

JFK Senior also wasn't "The Chosen One" to ascend to the Presidency. He became the Heir instead of the Spare when his brother Joe was killed in the war.

I am not an enthusiast for the whole nepotism thing, but if they can do a good job and really, truly have the stomach for it (not in a "Dubya" way, mind you, but in a real, genuine, sustained 'public service' fashion), then let them try. Sometimes, the name is as much a curse as a blessing. You get name recognition on the one hand, and inevitable comparisons on the other. A two-edged sword...

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Just what has Chelsea Clinton done that makes her so admirable? [View all] cali Aug 2012 OP

Haven't heard any swooning. elleng Aug 2012 #1

there's a thread with a number of adoring posts cali Aug 2012 #3

Glad I've missed it. elleng Aug 2012 #4

+1 nt NCTraveler Aug 2012 #10

You would have done well to cite it at the outset to give people a contextual base for your, er, MADem Aug 2012 #25

Okay. aquart Aug 2012 #2

I'm not one for political dynasties based on a last name. Ikonoklast Aug 2012 #5

Agreed. The only political dynasty in the US hifiguy Aug 2012 #18

What about the Roosevelts? UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #32

Or the Kennedys? GoCubsGo Aug 2012 #38

Good point. hifiguy Aug 2012 #41

I'm not aware of any Roosevelt descendants. UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #51

Kermit Roosevelt , a CIA man, was instrumental in overthrowing the Iranian government in 1953. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2012 #59

Quite a career. UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #71

that really shouldn't be looked upon as a positive action frylock Aug 2012 #144

there are a fair number. for example, mark roosevelt HiPointDem Aug 2012 #120

I don't think I like Teddy's offspring. UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #128

yes, there seems to be a multi-generation involvement with intelligence services, for starters. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #134

I heard one on the radio the other day Marrah_G Aug 2012 #133

i think there are rather a few of them around, not always with the roosevelt surname. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #135

Bobby was rising power in his own right, I though for certain he could have been president Ikonoklast Aug 2012 #48

not a dynasty. one generation held office and most of them were killed. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #123

You said it more clearly than I. hifiguy Aug 2012 #125

What about the marsis Aug 2012 #63

For the most part, that highlights what I oppose. Ikonoklast Aug 2012 #66

one of the cokeheads did and won rbrnmw Aug 2012 #150

WTF? Swooning? Adoration? Giddy excitement? MADem Aug 2012 #6

You mention the negatives but fail to mention the positives cali Aug 2012 #9

I think you need to stop, slow down, and read what I wrote. MADem Aug 2012 #19

Fortunately, I doubt many of Chelsea's peers hifiguy Aug 2012 #22

Geez, all she said is that she didn't rule anything out. It's not like she's declared for office. MADem Aug 2012 #70

Good point. hifiguy Aug 2012 #72

That's no lie--if "Jorge P" runs I'll be aghast! And he's the best of a rather bad lot! nt MADem Aug 2012 #76

What!? You're not a fan of nepotism? nt fadedrose Aug 2012 #7

She got shat on by Rush Limbaugh when she was 13. Skinner Aug 2012 #8

Yes, she got shat on by Rush Limbaugh as a kid cali Aug 2012 #12

you're coming off very jealous. progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #15

i admit to being jealous of how spectacularly well-connected she is BOG PERSON Aug 2012 #21

Well-connected does not deny failure. LanternWaste Aug 2012 #85

ah, could you perhaps phrase that less euphemistically BOG PERSON Aug 2012 #88

Now, that's where you're wrong. Look at the last pResident for a perfect example. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #149

Oh, I don't know that she will never know the taste of failure...Dubya was "connected" too. whathehell Aug 2012 #107

Chelsea, just like Malia and Sasha Obama ,will never know the taste of failure. Autumn Aug 2012 #129

Or never have to worry about making money treestar Aug 2012 #143

beats the hell out of me BOG PERSON Aug 2012 #146

no she's not. but the "jealous" canard is inevitably trotted out whenever the privileged are mildly HiPointDem Aug 2012 #23

not at all. cali Aug 2012 #31

Ugh. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2012 #62

"That outweighs asshole comments by deranged wingnuts." Says who? MADem Aug 2012 #75

wait a minute: do you actually know that she heard that comment as a kid? cali Aug 2012 #78

They didn't keep her locked in a closet, you know. She went to Sidwell. She had friends. MADem Aug 2012 #89

I don't resent her. I find your insistence that I do quite creepy. cali Aug 2012 #93

You're the one who started this creepy trainwreck of a thread, that misrepresents what the woman MADem Aug 2012 #98

The same things mitt romney did, for starters, when she worked for avenue capital & mckinsey. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #97

Mitt Romney spoke up in defense of Sandra Fluke and women in politics? MADem Aug 2012 #101

avenue capital & mckinsey are participants in the dismantlement of the US industrial economy, HiPointDem Aug 2012 #104

Since she hasn't said she's running for anything, you're safe, now, aren't you? nt MADem Aug 2012 #117

not safe from the hype and slavering. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #119

Unwarranted adulation? Really? MADem Aug 2012 #140

Given the unrec feature any thought lately Skinner? lpbk2713 Aug 2012 #17

Heh heh! Gotta say, I wouldn't mind seeing it back again.... nt MADem Aug 2012 #79

That's just what I was talkin' bout. nt MADem Aug 2012 #20

I hate Limbaugh too.... fadedrose Aug 2012 #33

with the exception of Amy dsc Aug 2012 #105

This obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #60

I like how you wrote this! hamsterjill Aug 2012 #130

"Just what has Chelsea Clinton done that makes her so admirable?" NCTraveler Aug 2012 #11

lol. cali Aug 2012 #13

Meow. Guess it bothers some people that she didn't turn into a drunken coke whore. n/t progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #14

She has said that she wants to "give something back to society." Great qualifier in my book. nanabugg Aug 2012 #16

Good for her. hifiguy Aug 2012 #27

i know lots of people who want to give back. they're unlikely to become political representatives HiPointDem Aug 2012 #29

However, I imagine those same persons are yet admired by people, regardless of political connections LanternWaste Aug 2012 #44

they're admired by as many people as clinton would be were it not for her political connections. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #58

oh for pity's sake. I said she may well be a lovely person. cali Aug 2012 #34

she won the sperm and egg lottery Angry Dragon Aug 2012 #24

I heard today that she is supporting a sanctuary for orphaned baby elephants. MoonRiver Aug 2012 #26

i just *love* baby animals !!! BOG PERSON Aug 2012 #30

Well, a lot of people in this world care deeply about animals, babies and adults. MoonRiver Aug 2012 #36

I imagine it's much more convenient to a particular point of view to both minimize and trivialize an LanternWaste Aug 2012 #46

She's not Bristol Palin MotherPetrie Aug 2012 #28

LOL ananda Aug 2012 #35

If she can win and advance the Democratic agenda, I'll swoon once a day and twice on Sundays stevenleser Aug 2012 #37

So you are basing this merely on how she earns her living? PotatoChip Aug 2012 #39

Why don't we save this Chelsea attack for when she runs against a true progressive? jillan Aug 2012 #40

You realize that America watched her grow up from a kid into an adult. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2012 #42

Yes, I do realize that. As someone who's always been keenly aware of the difference cali Aug 2012 #50

Well, of course not. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2012 #54

Why Don't You Shit-Can The Obama Daughters, As Well? Paladin Aug 2012 #43

uh, perhaps because I didn't shit can her. cali Aug 2012 #45

Don't Be Obtuse. Paladin Aug 2012 #55

I didn not in any way shape or form, trash her. cali Aug 2012 #61

Cali didn't trash Chelsea. Cali presented facts, which have a subtext. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2012 #83

Yeah, sure...because any old "spoiled entitled 1%er scumbag" would speak out vociferously in support MADem Aug 2012 #91

I'm not cherry picking her priorities. Dreamer Tatum Aug 2012 #118

Gee, if we tossed everyone over the side that ever worked at a "morally objectionable" workplace, MADem Aug 2012 #141

I was thinking the exact same thing. whathehell Aug 2012 #109

I don't understand it either Marrah_G Aug 2012 #47

exactly. This thread went just about as I expected cali Aug 2012 #52

But here's the thing--she hasn't expressed a desire to do that, so why beat her up? MADem Aug 2012 #94

one more time, my dear. and just for you. cali Aug 2012 #111

Yeah...that's REAL clear from your OP...NOT. Or your follow-on comments. MADem Aug 2012 #145

She kept her head above the fray when even attacked in ops and articles mfcorey1 Aug 2012 #49

I didn't see the swooning but I am pleased that any child grows up in that glass bowl can end up grantcart Aug 2012 #53

Sometimes DU can be like Tiger Beat Throd Aug 2012 #56

Tiger Beat? This is more like a beat-down in the Junior High Bathroom. MADem Aug 2012 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #57

nevermind. I probably misunderstood the thread. limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #74

And you probably never will. jonthebru Aug 2012 #64

that depends on her. cali Aug 2012 #67

Geez, she was asked the question, she answered... Spazito Aug 2012 #65

one more time: I'm criticizing the response to her by cali Aug 2012 #68

Well, your OP and subsequent responses re her privileged upbringing, etc,... Spazito Aug 2012 #92

no, really not. cali Aug 2012 #106

+1 nt MADem Aug 2012 #115

The scions of nobility and/or celebrity are often thought admirable because of their bloodlines. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2012 #69

I'm glad she turned out well. Redford Aug 2012 #73

I hear she is an independent strong-willed woman Enrique Aug 2012 #77

She inherited well. moondust Aug 2012 #80

Well, she's always handled herself well in public under joeybee12 Aug 2012 #81

It's like movie stars. The same ones over & over, and the new ones are usually related to the old The_Casual_Observer Aug 2012 #82

often times they're also related to the 1%. jane fonda wasn't only henry's daughter, she was HiPointDem Aug 2012 #99

Google just about any of them anymore, parents are actors, directors, producers or something The_Casual_Observer Aug 2012 #114

I think she's a lovely young woman. I don't like her or dislike her based soley on her last name. NYC Liberal Aug 2012 #84

^^ This. n/t gkhouston Aug 2012 #86

I wouldn't so much as say that people swoon over her but that avebury Aug 2012 #87

Anything would be better than her being a Special Reporter for NBC..... bobburgster Aug 2012 #90

Avenue Capital does the same kind of thing Bain does: HiPointDem Aug 2012 #96

that's too stark a question for many in this thread cali Aug 2012 #102

it's the hypocrisy. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #103

Not much best I can tell ProgressiveProfessor Aug 2012 #100

To be blunt, anyone who grows up famous and turns out to be anything other than a reprobate Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #108

Alice Longworth Roosevelt and Margaret Truman Daniels come to mind kskiska Aug 2012 #110

She's probably generated millions in fees for the Wall Street firms she has worked for. Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #112

She's a smart, strong, hardworking, mzmolly Aug 2012 #113

So are millions of other people, people that couldn't even dream of being elected The_Casual_Observer Aug 2012 #116

I'm not sure what your point is? mzmolly Aug 2012 #139

Have you Shankapotomus Aug 2012 #121

why are you so hostile Duppers Aug 2012 #122

I don't think the poster was being hostile Marrah_G Aug 2012 #132

Swooning for Chelsea's prospective run is swooning for the Clinton presidency. Orsino Aug 2012 #124

She hasn't gotten in trouble, drugs, bad crowd, pregnant, car acidents, shoplifting..... DainBramaged Aug 2012 #126

How many people at 32 have? bluestateguy Aug 2012 #127

At 32 Bill Clinton was elected Governor of Arkansas UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #136

her dad? law professor (u of ark) after college, mcgovern campaign coordinator at 26, HiPointDem Aug 2012 #137

Rabble rabble rabble! n/t Scootaloo Aug 2012 #131

Seems as though she enjoys the company of large corporations. Alduin Aug 2012 #138

No more so than JFK Jr. and Caroline and various and sundry Kennedys treestar Aug 2012 #142

Errrrrr....how about JFK SENIOR? His daddy was a bootlegger and a starlet-screwer, but he was also MADem Aug 2012 #147

Yeah if JFK Jr or SR were born into my family treestar Aug 2012 #152

WHY dump on Chelsea, leave that to the rethugs they've done since she was 12. nt Raine Aug 2012 #148

Yeah, seriously... liberallibral Aug 2012 #151

She would have to PRove herself, Caroline being a Kennedy didn't help her JI7 Aug 2012 #153

Nothing like a thread on president's daughters to really bring out DU's class. (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #154

Eight years as first daughter in a highly toxic environment? nt DCKit Aug 2012 #155

I don't admire her, but I'd support her for the lulz. joshcryer Aug 2012 #156