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Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
34. Can't afford minor mistakes in a state with opponent so energized and organized
Mon Nov 19, 2018, 01:09 PM
Nov 2018

The poll models were wrong in Florida. That is part of the angst here and elsewhere. If we properly realized those were coin-flip races then it would still hurt but we wouldn't be claiming theft, or looking to blame.

Instead, the poll models continually assumed greater Democratic enthusiasm and turnout in Florida. That accounted for the Nelson and Gillum leads. But it was wrong. The GOP is incredibly well organized and energized here. As soon as the early votes started rolling in you could see the Republican turnout was greater across the state and specifically in the vital question of how elderly and how white the electorate would be. Young voters increased their participation but not nearly to the degree of other states, or toward necessary level in Florida.

Here is a related segment of Marc Caputo's latest blog post:

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/florida-playbook/2018/11/19/did-brenda-kill-bill-desantis-scott-win-again-fraud-probe-puts-fl-dems-on-d-the-lone-democrat-nikki-fried-348669

"WERE THE POLLS WRONG? — So polls told us that Nelson was marginally leading Scott, and that Gillum was marginally leading DeSantis by a little more. But both Democrats lost. Were the polls wrong? Yes and no. The key word above is “marginal.” In most polls, these leads were within a point or two of a margin of error and either sides’ candidates could win. But still, the toplines for most surveys were wrong to the degree they showed the Democrats more ahead than the Republicans. Why? Modeling. In the end, the story of this Florida midterm was like others: More Republicans turned out than Democrats. But many of the polls had more Democratic turnout than Republican turnout. (One caveat: Some of the random-digit dialing polls ask about party identification, which isn't the same thing as party registration.) Still, if the voter-list polls had better turnout models (which Associated Industries of Florida did), the results might’ve been less of a shocker to many.

WE WERE RIGHT (WE THINK) — One thing the polls collectively did seem to get right were the party breaks for the candidates (i.e., X, Y, and Z percent of Democrats, Republicans and independents were respectively voting for Gillum or DeSantis). As we noted Election Day morning when we took the public polling’s party breaks and averaged them, Gillum and Nelson were on the path to victory if 1) Democrats could hold Republicans below a 2 percentage-point turnout advantage overall and/or if 2) Democrats did not lose Election Day turnout to Republicans by 4 percentage points or more, as had happened in the past. It looks as if history repeated itself on Election Day. We don’t have final numbers, but it looked like an R+4 electorate on Election Day. And so Republicans won the big races."

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Nice Job Florida!!! Take a bow!!! [View all] BlueintheSTL Nov 2018 OP
And also elected a racist piece of shit as their new governor. Initech Nov 2018 #1
Young people and others who would be Dems need to FUCKING VOTE! LBM20 Nov 2018 #22
We also need to end gerrymandering and GOP voter restrictions! Initech Nov 2018 #25
That county supervisor of elections is at fault madville Nov 2018 #2
I saw a interview where she said the ballot was state approved of course it was! MattP Nov 2018 #3
The county still designed the layout to meet state guidelines madville Nov 2018 #7
It is time the voters kick her out still_one Nov 2018 #26
Florida isn't to blame; each County built a different ballot. brooklynite Nov 2018 #4
In our state it is ONE ballot for the entire state. LBM20 Nov 2018 #23
How do you vote for local offices and proposals? JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2018 #24
Broward Co. ballot compared to Hillsborough Co. ballot. sl8 Nov 2018 #5
Wow...what a difference in basic competence Awsi Dooger Nov 2018 #33
The Republicans appointed a person to run elections in Hortensis Nov 2018 #6
The voters of Broward County keep re electing her in landslides with 80 % of the vote. They own this MichMan Nov 2018 #8
Yes, but voters in Broward are no stupider than those in Hortensis Nov 2018 #12
I think she's just flat out incompetent madville Nov 2018 #9
then why do the citizens of Broward county keep relecting her by overwhelming margins? Kaleva Nov 2018 #14
...because most people don't know who they are truly voting for. In It to Win It Nov 2018 #17
My guess is that it is no different than many down ticket races trhroughout the country MichMan Nov 2018 #18
Disgusted.... VanillaC Nov 2018 #10
As a Broward County resident, did you vote to re elect Dr. Snipes? MichMan Nov 2018 #32
Total and complete incompetence! They need to pull their heads out of the assholes! LBM20 Nov 2018 #11
Here in Cook Cty, Ill, the voter inserts the ballot into the scanner while the judge stands nearby. Gidney N Cloyd Nov 2018 #13
Same here in NM. triron Nov 2018 #30
Overall, the 2018 miderm election went very well for us. Kaleva Nov 2018 #15
Florida's .... LenaBaby61 Nov 2018 #16
Florida, like Ohio is getting redder with each cycle BannonsLiver Nov 2018 #19
NELSON WON THE ELECTION. There was voter suppression and a fucked up ballot! Obama won FL twice. LBM20 Nov 2018 #20
Obama won Ohio twice. Sherrod Brown won big. Dems need to VOTE and VOTE BIG. LBM20 Nov 2018 #21
Can hardly wait until 2020 Florida. Not! Sneederbunk Nov 2018 #27
As soon as I get done digging out from Phoenix61 Nov 2018 #28
Who thinks there were probably many more than 10,000 people in Florida elocs Nov 2018 #29
Large number of seniors retire in Florida. triron Nov 2018 #31
Can't afford minor mistakes in a state with opponent so energized and organized Awsi Dooger Nov 2018 #34
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