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cab67

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14. with all respect, we do have to worry about the Senate.

Sat Nov 24, 2018, 02:38 PM

Nov 2018

The Republican effort to impeach Clinton backfired on them very badly. Clinton won, and as a result, his stature improved.

That's my biggest concern - the House would impeach the president. It would go to the Senate. It would lose. Trump would then claim victory, and his chances of winning in 2020 would greatly improve.

Unless the Senate is behind the effort, it's going to be branded as overreach on the part of the Democrats and used against them, with some success.

I really hope the investigations - on the part of Mueller, on the part of the House subcommittees, on the part of whatever's left of independent journalism - are able to create an environment in which the Senate can go along with it. But if they can't, impeachment wouldn't just be a waste of time - it would (very likely) to blow back on us and make things worse.

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The debate about impeachment is over. It's now a matter of survival. [View all] shockey80 Nov 2018 OP

Well said. Trump is a clear and present danger. He must be removed ASAP. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #1

You say it's a matter of survival, but unless the Senate convicts, it won't really matter either way bearsfootball516 Nov 2018 #2

Unfortunate truth & the consequence of how one votes. Bfd Nov 2018 #5

BUT Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #18

I want each senator that votes to keep this monstrosity in office to go on record erronis Nov 2018 #26

Or worse... Stargazer09 Nov 2018 #70

Like I said, we can't worry about the senate. shockey80 Nov 2018 #3

+1 Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #20

Agree. SusanaMontana41 Nov 2018 #87

History. Yes. Let trump go into the history books with that big blot on his record. calimary Nov 2018 #92

I keep fantasizing that he will take a trip to Russia. MarvinGardens Nov 2018 #97

What scares me is the apathy, the ignorance, the lack of urgency from the people. shockey80 Nov 2018 #4

This is what gets to me. Is everyone just sitting around, killing time on their phones? VOX Nov 2018 #101

Protecting the rule of law, and our democratic republic, demands a lawful and thoughtful process. nt FreepFryer Nov 2018 #6

American democracy has been subverted and its foundations shaken dalton99a Nov 2018 #7

+1+1 Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #21

But then Pence wouldn't be much worse treestar Nov 2018 #72

Agreed, I've long thought that curious as well stopwastingmymoney Nov 2018 #89

Yep. The GOP leadership is going on a ride to RICO land. Eyeball_Kid Nov 2018 #90

It is worth noting that chief justice John Roberts would preside over any impeachment trial. MarvinGardens Nov 2018 #98

Bottom line, waiting to vote Trump out may be too late. shockey80 Nov 2018 #8

As long as fox news is on the air lancelyons Nov 2018 #9

Fuck Fox and Fuck the Trump voters. shockey80 Nov 2018 #10

I don't think the poster said that. defacto7 Nov 2018 #16

I think even fux can be persuaded to change its tune. erronis Nov 2018 #30

+1 Power 2 the People Nov 2018 #94

I believe I understand how Georg Elser felt. shockey80 Nov 2018 #11

Thanks for the mention of one of those who tried to overthrow the prior SHitler. erronis Nov 2018 #33

Economic chaos is easily created by tRumpy. NoMoreRepugs Nov 2018 #12

Twitler is already saying the economic downturn is because the Ds won the House. OMGWTF Nov 2018 #22

And rump is full of lies. Who believes him anymore? Certainly not the majority of the ... SWBTATTReg Nov 2018 #41

Has anyone noticed that Wall Street isn't happy? CloudWatcher Nov 2018 #13

This Crutchez_CuiBono Nov 2018 #23

I find myself wishing for an economic downturn... srobertss Nov 2018 #38

with all respect, we do have to worry about the Senate. cab67 Nov 2018 #14

Like I said, you cannot compare this with The Clinton impeachment. That's insane. shockey80 Nov 2018 #24

Clinton was doing good things for the economy. True Blue American Nov 2018 #42

Exactly what would you have him impeached for? Clinton.... reACTIONary Nov 2018 #63

There are four ways for a presidency to end Jarqui Nov 2018 #15

Good analysis of four ways to remove dump. But we still need to clean out the traitors in congress. erronis Nov 2018 #35

Mitch already said he thought about retiring before the last True Blue American Nov 2018 #44

They used the House/Congress to try to destroy Hillary with Benghazi and the emails Jarqui Nov 2018 #57

And some "democrats" may get caught up in trying to protect their asseTs. erronis Nov 2018 #60

That is a good point Jarqui Nov 2018 #64

5 - You left out resignation. n/t PoliticAverse Nov 2018 #56

Fair point. Jarqui Nov 2018 #59

I don't know - "resigning in a huff" and blaming someone else would be very Trumpian. n/t PoliticAverse Nov 2018 #68

I can see him dropping out for 2020 something like that Jarqui Nov 2018 #69

Well... PoliticAverse Nov 2018 #74

Executive privilege does go away when one is no longer President. Jarqui Nov 2018 #76

Also left out is assassination. Haggis for Breakfast Nov 2018 #86

How could you leave out #5? Polybius Nov 2018 #58

It happened because Nixon was going to get impeached Jarqui Nov 2018 #61

Me neither, but it shouldn't be left out Polybius Nov 2018 #62

Yes Jarqui Nov 2018 #65

It would have been very hard for the Senate not to have voted for impeachment. erronis Nov 2018 #66

absolutely right! green917 Nov 2018 #17

That's just so laughable. bitterross Nov 2018 #25

I agree with most of your points, but not your conclusion. bitterross Nov 2018 #19

The Senate is not like the house. shockey80 Nov 2018 #27

+1. erronis Nov 2018 #36

Impeachment alone will accomplish nothing. How do you think pnwmom Nov 2018 #28

You don't know that. shockey80 Nov 2018 #29

Yes, I do. What is incorrect about what I said? If he is impeached, pnwmom Nov 2018 #39

Impeachment would remove a madman from the Whitehouse. shockey80 Nov 2018 #43

NO, IT WOULDN'T. Bill Clinton was impeached. Was he removed from the WH? pnwmom Nov 2018 #45

As pnwmom has explained removing a President is a two step process and if the Senate cstanleytech Nov 2018 #48

I'm sorry, but that's just constitutionally wrong. Only after Senate conviction would he be "removed Tarheel_Dem Nov 2018 #73

And yet, as accurate as you are, if he is removed FIFTY MILLION assholes will Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #31

We will reserve impeachment for the moment Trump tries to do something that would irreparably harm Nitram Nov 2018 #32

Covering up a murder is not enough? shockey80 Nov 2018 #37

Ask the Senate. Nitram Nov 2018 #40

The House does its job to impeach Trump ASAP. PufPuf23 Nov 2018 #34

The first obstacle would be Mitch McConnell. He would have to agree pnwmom Nov 2018 #49

McConnell will not cooperate unless cornered. PufPuf23 Nov 2018 #53

The Democrats don't get to pick when McConnell goes. n/t pnwmom Nov 2018 #55

It is worth noting that chief justice John Roberts would preside over an impeachment trial. MarvinGardens Nov 2018 #99

You are right about who presides. But I think McConnell has enough control pnwmom Nov 2018 #100

I want him out of office as well however there is almost no chance in hell that enough Senate cstanleytech Nov 2018 #46

Once again, you don't know what will happen in the senate. shockey80 Nov 2018 #51

Wont work. The Repugnants would simply play act it but they would simply cstanleytech Nov 2018 #75

Unfortunately, it's very unlikely to occur. cwydro Nov 2018 #47

Correct. We didn't impeach Bush and Cheney for war crimes Power 2 the People Nov 2018 #96

LET IT GO TO THE SENATE! There are gonna be Republican Senators facing re-election in 2 years who BamaRefugee Nov 2018 #50

indictments not_the_one Nov 2018 #52

"The debate about impeachment is over." - really, the House will be impeaching Trump in January? n/t PoliticAverse Nov 2018 #54

One question workinclasszero Nov 2018 #67

That is a good argument treestar Nov 2018 #71

Had Clinton been elected the chaos may have been averted since the greatest Persondem Nov 2018 #77

Remember what the villains were called amywalk Nov 2018 #78

I believe that events are converging that will force impeachment. LiberalFighter Nov 2018 #79

Shockey80 MFM008 Nov 2018 #80

This obsession with impeachment will backfire. Clinton was impeached and only gained in popularity. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2018 #81

One lied about an affair. The other is trying to turn the world to ashes. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #95

Well said. byronius Nov 2018 #82

Not saying impeachment shouldn't be weighed DFW Nov 2018 #83

And he's going to let Saudi Arabia go nuclear. nt Grasswire2 Nov 2018 #84

So, evangelical fanatic Prez Pence triggering his Endtimes Rapture is a wise move? n/t Prof.Higgins Nov 2018 #85

So then customerserviceguy Nov 2018 #88

Reality check: Impeachment does not remove a president from office, elocs Nov 2018 #91

Sadly, Dems don't have the political power to remove him from office yet. mart48 Nov 2018 #93

wheres the Cigarette Man When you need him? samnsara Nov 2018 #102