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Perseus

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30. My understanding is that if you are pardoned

Sun Nov 25, 2018, 05:28 PM

Nov 2018

Its because you are guilty of the crime. You can't be pardoned from nothing, you are guilty and so you need to be pardoned or go to jail.

"While a presidential pardon will restore various rights lost as a result of the pardoned offense and should lessen to some extent the stigma arising from a conviction, it will not erase or expunge the record of that conviction."

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Federal judge refuses to erase Joe Arpaio's conviction despite Trump pardon [View all] MiniMe Nov 2018 OP

Awww -- That Darn Rule of Law Thing Gets in Former "Sheriff" Arpaio's Way dlk Nov 2018 #1

Get thee to the greatest page malaise Nov 2018 #2

good ruling Takket Nov 2018 #3

accepting a pardon does not mean pleading guilty to a crime. unblock Nov 2018 #6

Arpaio accepted the pardon localroger Nov 2018 #38

He can't say he wasn't convicted. But he can certainly say he was always innocent. unblock Nov 2018 #41

yes.. .the last paragraph of your post is what i was getting at..... Takket Nov 2018 #40

None of that is true. former9thward Nov 2018 #18

Agreed hotrod0808 Nov 2018 #22

My understanding is that if you are pardoned Perseus Nov 2018 #30

Ford's pardon of Nixon came without Nixon ever being charged with a crime Locutusofborg Nov 2018 #33

Both Ford and Carter pardoned thousands of draft evaders from Vietnam. former9thward Nov 2018 #35

This is false. A pardon can be used to correct an incorrect guilty verdict, e.g., dna evidence. unblock Nov 2018 #44

What a legacy this disgusting man will carry to his grave...85 years old - asiliveandbreathe Nov 2018 #4

You'ld think the fact he calls himself Sheriff would lunatica Nov 2018 #5

1970s humor cojoel Nov 2018 #46

Gee... PeeJ52 Nov 2018 #7

Clinton appointed her MiniMe Nov 2018 #9

Well, how about that? Good for Judge Bolton DFW Nov 2018 #8

A pardon does not erase the underlying crime and conviction... beachbum bob Nov 2018 #10

Sort of a strange wish, but I hope Arpaio has a long life ahead of him. erronis Nov 2018 #11

I call for this to be chiseled onto his tombstone ProudLib72 Nov 2018 #12

What baggage? former9thward Nov 2018 #20

Yes - I probably have some of that too. But why does he want to clear his? erronis Nov 2018 #21

No good reason. former9thward Nov 2018 #27

Arpaio's trying shield himself from civil latigation arising from the same facts. SunSeeker Nov 2018 #29

Per the article, the ruling may be used against him in future litigation. SunSeeker Nov 2018 #28

Except there is no civil litigation. former9thward Nov 2018 #34

Wrong. There definitely is civil litigation. SunSeeker Nov 2018 #36

There is no civil litigation against Arpaio. former9thward Nov 2018 #43

Wrong again. SunSeeker Nov 2018 #47

Typically you ignore the fact he is not liable for anything. former9thward Nov 2018 #58

The case is not dismissed. The court maintains jurisdiction for monitoring. SunSeeker Nov 2018 #59

He has no pending civil case. former9thward Nov 2018 #60

You already admitted Arpaio has a pending civil case (the defamation case). SunSeeker Nov 2018 #61

I guess it affected him some itty, bitty, bit. Or else he wouldn'ta spent lawyer money and filing 3Hotdogs Nov 2018 #54

He has millions in his political fund. former9thward Nov 2018 #57

Maybe a pardon isn't the same as expunging the charges. JohnnyRingo Nov 2018 #13

So posthumous pardons aren't even symbolically significant. Kaleva Nov 2018 #14

I thought about that. Pacifist Patriot Nov 2018 #16

Excellent ruling! Pacifist Patriot Nov 2018 #15

+1 woohoo iluvtennis Nov 2018 #19

+2 woohoo, too! calimary Nov 2018 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author whathehell Nov 2018 #17

Thank You Judge!! blue-wave Nov 2018 #23

K & R SunSeeker Nov 2018 #25

Arpaio. AZ8theist Nov 2018 #26

K&R Scurrilous Nov 2018 #31

One must admit guilt to accept a pardon. Period. dsharp88 Nov 2018 #32

No, that's untrue. tammywammy Nov 2018 #37

First time poster CanadianGuy2 Nov 2018 #42

welcome to DU! gopiscrap Nov 2018 #51

Excuse me, but pardons are NOT granted to the innocent. Haggis for Breakfast Nov 2018 #52

The imposition of a guilty verdict is not a prerequisite for a pardon. tritsofme Nov 2018 #53

Innocence: List of Those Freed From Death Row mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2018 #56

Expungement of a conviction is completely different from a Pardon. no_hypocrisy Nov 2018 #39

This is dated October 2017 ashling Nov 2018 #45

So it is, I didn't even notice that. But I hadn't heard about previously MiniMe Nov 2018 #50

I thought this sounded familiar so I checked the date ashling Nov 2018 #55

K&R ck4829 Nov 2018 #48

Judge made the right call for the right reasons. cstanleytech Nov 2018 #49