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Igel

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27. No, it didn't escalate quickly.
Mon Nov 26, 2018, 12:05 AM
Nov 2018

It's just that we've been looking elsewhere. It's ramped up gradually on the eastern front in the Donbas.

Then this:
https://informator.news/boevyky-nachaly-masshtabn-y-obstrel-ukraynskykh-pozytsyy-na-donbasse/

Now, my Ukrainian's a bit shaky, but it's probably better than most American's:

"Fighters began large-scale shelling of Ukrainian positions after the provocation by the RF against ships of the Ukrainian Naval Forces in the Sea of Azov.

This, according to local residents.

After the seizure of the Ukrainian vessels the fighters heightened tensions in the Donbass by shelling the civilian population and Ukrainian military forces. Let us recall that at present the Natural Security and Defense Council is holding an emergency session on whether to impose a state of martial law
."

"Voennoie polozhenn'ia" I take to be "martial law" not "state of war". Google translate, as much a foe as friend, agrees. "Voennyi stan" is "state of war."

In other words, the information you see in the domestic US press is *not* all the news or everything that's going on. Consider this to be an "unknown unknown" that's suddenly partly a known known and partly a known unknown (since it's been made salient that there are things going on we don't necessarily know about).

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Ukraine Declaring War [View all] orangecrush Nov 2018 OP
This is 100 kinds of not good. onecaliberal Nov 2018 #1
Yup orangecrush Nov 2018 #3
No joke. OMG this is terrible. AllyCat Nov 2018 #29
1914. roamer65 Nov 2018 #2
Precisely. orangecrush Nov 2018 #4
+1, Red Don is more like Whilhelm and one of the reasons why France punished uponit7771 Nov 2018 #35
fuck the history, start over certainot Nov 2018 #36
My thought exactly. NBachers Nov 2018 #39
So which side will Trump support? OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2018 #5
Uh... orangecrush Nov 2018 #7
hoping this is a lot of bluster and nothing major comes of this.............. Takket Nov 2018 #6
He want to roll on Ukraine orangecrush Nov 2018 #8
Annex it? Like he did crimea? Takket Nov 2018 #11
To restore the Russian Empire marylandblue Nov 2018 #31
US is crippled with a five-time republican draft-dodger "in charge" Achilleaze Nov 2018 #43
Ukraine has been fighting a war in Donbass for several years. Over 10,000 sinkingfeeling Nov 2018 #19
Georgia was sucked into this situation too. Turbineguy Nov 2018 #9
This is ominous orangecrush Nov 2018 #10
I predicted this 2 years ago. And I'm no smarter than anyone else. pangaia Nov 2018 #14
... orangecrush Nov 2018 #17
What is BNL News? oberliner Nov 2018 #12
Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #13
ruh - roh. orangecrush Nov 2018 #16
Thanks for the compliment oberliner Nov 2018 #18
It didn't happen Obetliner. Ask Trump or Putin! Jeesh, do I have to do the propaganda for you? nt OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2018 #21
Huh? oberliner Nov 2018 #26
Me neither orangecrush Nov 2018 #15
oh boy.... Adrahil Nov 2018 #20
They have. orangecrush Nov 2018 #23
Any better or newer sources? superpatriotman Nov 2018 #22
... orangecrush Nov 2018 #24
better orangecrush Nov 2018 #25
Thanks superpatriotman Nov 2018 #28
Thank you! orangecrush Nov 2018 #44
No, it didn't escalate quickly. Igel Nov 2018 #27
Trump will urge Ukraine to appease and bend over to Russia. Doodley Nov 2018 #30
Crimea Sudetenland Bucky Nov 2018 #32
Agree. orangecrush Nov 2018 #45
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I understand your perspective more clearly now. Haggis for Breakfast Nov 2018 #46
From the NYT: Martial law in Ukraine? triron Nov 2018 #37
"YOU CANNOT IMPEACH A WARTIME PRESIDENT". This is obviously their plan. BamaRefugee Nov 2018 #38
The thread title is irresponsible. Small-Axe Nov 2018 #40
Ukraine's President has made it clear they have not declared war. SunSeeker Nov 2018 #42
K&R for, uh, shouldn't this be top o'th'page?!1 Or is it wag-the-dog? UTUSN Nov 2018 #47
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