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15. It's not dividing the party..

Mon Nov 26, 2018, 10:24 AM

Nov 2018

Calling a spade a spade.

Hers was a grievous action that should and will continue to be called out, not because we are being manipulated into fractiousness, but because it was WRONG.

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Franken scandal haunts Gillibrand's 2020 chances [View all] workinclasszero Nov 2018 OP

Good! Nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #1

seconded Afromania Nov 2018 #8

Thirdeded hurple Nov 2018 #91

Fourthed. She'll have to be the only Democrat in the primary before I will support her run. marble falls Nov 2018 #154

Second your fourth and agree with your second statement. dae Nov 2018 #160

Put me in the same pile of agreement. I don't like what she did *at all*. BlueInRedHell Nov 2018 #161

Fifthed. I haven't forgotten. Never will. Either she had an ulterior motive,... Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #164

Sixthed. I think we are making up numbers but it gets the point across. + a lot. Amaryllis Nov 2018 #187

Or, naively thought that this would make her the darling of women question everything Nov 2018 #188

Umpteenthed! I'm STILL pissed. bitterross Nov 2018 #204

Its only good if she doesn't run, but bad because her opponent will be a republican Perseus Nov 2018 #83

I would never vote against a dem! But gladly against her in a primary. Nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #87

I don't think there is a problem with her remaining in the senate dhol82 Nov 2018 #88

She was just re-elected in NY with a higher margin than Cuomo Renew Deal Nov 2018 #93

Agree with her regarding Franken? SergeStorms Nov 2018 #95

There was a shred Renew Deal Nov 2018 #101

No there not a shred, Butterflylady Nov 2018 #128

He apologized for it Renew Deal Nov 2018 #131

You understand the difference between a bad joke by a comedian, and harassment? Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #180

Pathetic. It was a gag photo in front of witnesses and a photograher. brush Nov 2018 #184

Not to mention the grope resistant military body armor. Marcuse Nov 2018 #186

Let's not forget WHO brought this whole issue to the public: Haggis for Breakfast Nov 2018 #202

It looked like he was a foot away, that photo being used against him was bullshit. Autumn Nov 2018 #193

Nonsense smear. mn9driver Nov 2018 #155

You should let him know Renew Deal Nov 2018 #156

Because he has class. Unlike some senators. mn9driver Nov 2018 #158

He apologized for a bad joke. Not harassment. Here's HER bawdy behavior. Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #223

Because that's what the #MeToo movement demanded at the time. SergeStorms Nov 2018 #227

Agreed. He is not touching her. It's a bawdy joke on a bawdy USO tour. Here's HER bawdiness: Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #181

That's a right wing talking point. SergeStorms Nov 2018 #224

If she runs for president she will not primary well in NY dhol82 Nov 2018 #96

You're basing that on.... Renew Deal Nov 2018 #102

The anger I see against her? dhol82 Nov 2018 #103

There is more that goes on beyond what you can see Renew Deal Nov 2018 #104

Is that you, Kirsten? SergeStorms Nov 2018 #228

Please give us the final figures for Cuomo and Gillibrand disndat Nov 2018 #152

Here you go... Renew Deal Nov 2018 #157

Looking at the numbers below Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #169

I voted for her LoveMyCali Nov 2018 #256

That's her district. Not nationally. nt Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #165

What district is she in? Renew Deal Nov 2018 #177

I forget her district. She's not nationally known. She has kept a low profile... Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #179

Not a district but the entire state of NY nt Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #264

Oh, that's right.... Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #267

New York State Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #265

+1 krawhitham Nov 2018 #114

good!!!! She bullied Senator Franken. He is one of the good guys. trueblue2007 Nov 2018 #149

So, it really is not "JUST DU".... hlthe2b Nov 2018 #2

Nope, not just DU workinclasszero Nov 2018 #4

+1 Baitball Blogger Nov 2018 #30

I was thinking the same thing PatSeg Nov 2018 #23

The "just DU" argument had no merit anyway since DU is made up of Dems... brush Nov 2018 #38

Damn right, and I will never forget what she did. a kennedy Nov 2018 #3

I'm bitter about it. Kittycow Nov 2018 #5

and sadly NewJeffCT Nov 2018 #11

Sherrod Brown and I had several email conversations True Blue American Nov 2018 #89

you better believe it does. She's toast for anything in Democratic party Rene Nov 2018 #6

Truth. Fuzzpope Nov 2018 #7

Yes! I'll take Franken back before I would take wasupaloopa Nov 2018 #9

I didnt vote for her either mgardener Nov 2018 #51

Are you saying you didn't vote for her in the GE? KitSileya Nov 2018 #146

I think the rule is that you don't campaign against a democrat dflprincess Nov 2018 #201

That's bullshit. KitSileya Nov 2018 #213

Oh Politico.... MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #10

It's not dividing the party.. Fuzzpope Nov 2018 #15

Sorry, I'm not one to cut off my nose to spite my face. Seems MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #18

Oh. OK.. Fuzzpope Nov 2018 #21

We obviously see things differently. MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #25

It was her actions. Who else is accountable? Gore1FL Nov 2018 #39

I have no problem with seeking better candidates. MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #46

We have several qualified and attractive candidates. We can do without her... brush Nov 2018 #44

It's not her baggage. Just like the emails and speeches weren't Hillary's baggage. MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #47

It's a fucking pile on. Wounded Bear Nov 2018 #56

karmas a funny thing ain't it? - n/t Locrian Nov 2018 #94

Call it whatever you wanna call it. It still follows her. brush Nov 2018 #61

In my "just DU" opinion, LakeArenal Nov 2018 #67

Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #65

"so I guess I would be voting for a republican by withholding my vote" MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #69

Its there bread and butter. aikoaiko Nov 2018 #153

Glad to hear it. (nt) Paladin Nov 2018 #12

They not only hurt them with me, Mira Nov 2018 #13

It's no surprise really. OnDoutside Nov 2018 #14

Her horse won't get out of the gate. /nt Zen Democrat Nov 2018 #16

It should! nt jrthin Nov 2018 #17

Whatdya know? It seems that chickens DO come home to roost. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #19

Al Franken, epitome of good husband, good guy, NEVER once touched ANYONE Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #111

So, run Al Franken for President. He's probably got a lot of time on his hands, He's certainly mulsh Nov 2018 #20

I'd like to see.. cannabis_flower Nov 2018 #119

I'd seriously love to have Franken run for President. Republicans couldn't say anything amywalk Nov 2018 #144

She's fine by me JonLP24 Nov 2018 #22

She is right on most issues. MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #27

Her record as a conservative state rep should also. Hortensis Nov 2018 #24

You're correct -- she was a Blue Dog when in the House of Representatives Jim Lane Nov 2018 #214

A huge red flag is her attempt to criminalize freedom of speech Hortensis Nov 2018 #232

Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #26

You obviously have that backwards. MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #29

Seems like someone is not paying attention... LakeSuperiorView Nov 2018 #40

her desire for higher office??? Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #105

Because SHE.......... MyOwnPeace Nov 2018 #45

Well then I guess you guys win, eh? MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #49

So, MyOwnPeace Nov 2018 #99

From what I recall Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2018 #125

Kristen and Al pamdb Nov 2018 #28

Exactly how I feel. n/t MicaelS Nov 2018 #75

+1. And I felt that way at the time she did that to Al. nt No Vested Interest Nov 2018 #163

No fan of Gilibrand, but this is typical Politico divisionary bullshit to divide Democrats. They still_one Nov 2018 #31

KG might have some good points, but DonCoquixote Nov 2018 #32

Gillibrand made a whooper of a mistake...regarding Al Franken - we should give asiliveandbreathe Nov 2018 #33

It really was Franken's grilling of Sessions, watoos Nov 2018 #34

Spot on. Al got Beauregard to recuse himself. brush Nov 2018 #55

I hope Al runs again. He will win if he does. allgood33 Nov 2018 #35

If we get a Democratic president in 2020 Eric J in MN Nov 2018 #53

If Al Franken ever decides to run for the Senate or any other office I will donate to his campaign! workinclasszero Nov 2018 #68

No True Blue American Nov 2018 #90

It should!!! redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #36

She's not better than drump, if she's reacting dreamland Nov 2018 #37

Agreed and thanks for the post. As a New Yorker I held my nose and voted for her. In a few c-rational Nov 2018 #41

Damned right it does. nt eppur_se_muova Nov 2018 #42

Good. I doubt she'll get enough money to even launch an exploratory committee. MoonRiver Nov 2018 #43

She will never get any support ($) or vote from me. usaf-vet Nov 2018 #48

Apparently he didn't have the intestinal fortitude Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #172

So glad to see we're not attacking Democrats. DeadLetterOffice Nov 2018 #50

+1 MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #52

+1 Amimnoch Nov 2018 #60

Really, saying who we think should not run for president is a bad thing? Nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #124

Al needs to figure out a way to stage his comeback janterry Nov 2018 #54

Loyalty Loyalty Loyalty JCMach1 Nov 2018 #57

As It Should Be dlk Nov 2018 #58

I hope she does not run. nt TeamPooka Nov 2018 #59

This NY resident won't forgive her. onlyadream Nov 2018 #62

Never trust anyone who labels you or your opinion: LakeArenal Nov 2018 #150

Accountability, Sen. Gillibrand. Own it like all the Dems on that hit list. Guilded Lilly Nov 2018 #63

I will never vote for her for anything . . . MrModerate Nov 2018 #64

Indeed wiley Nov 2018 #66

I have a very negative feeling about her to this day. Mickju Nov 2018 #70

What goes around comes around. KPN Nov 2018 #71

Yeah, she really screwed the pooch matt819 Nov 2018 #72

The question is, if she somehow got the nomination, would all on the Left vote for her? elocs Nov 2018 #73

Yes I would vote for her in that case workinclasszero Nov 2018 #77

Good. I hope it does more than haunt them. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #74

As Kristen and Al said above... RobertDevereaux Nov 2018 #76

Self-serving narcissist and opportunist she is. keithbvadu2 Nov 2018 #78

She is already BillyBobBrilliant Nov 2018 #79

+1000 Power 2 the People Nov 2018 #80

What she did was so anti-justice, so lawless. BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2018 #81

I will not forgive her for her treatment of Franken. Nitram Nov 2018 #82

Agree! ananda Nov 2018 #84

GOOD. Karma. NT Adrahil Nov 2018 #85

Gillibrand did the right thing calling him out, Franken did the right thing in resigning Tarc Nov 2018 #86

Ah BannonsLiver Nov 2018 #117

True, poster must of been sleeping. It was silly! Nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #121

I'm sorry that you do not stand with victims of inappropriate sexual contact Tarc Nov 2018 #133

Neither do the courts before proof and due process. Get it yet? Nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #141

Franken rendered that moot when he accepted responsibility, apologized, and resigned Tarc Nov 2018 #142

LOL, nice try! Nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #143

Reality Tarc Nov 2018 #145

The "victims" were Trump lovers and some said he "squeezed" their waists during pics. Total SHIT! LBM20 Nov 2018 #197

You're awfully busy today denying the rights of victims of sexual assault Tarc Nov 2018 #237

I'm not at all convinced... Adrahil Nov 2018 #207

I'm sorry that you do not take seriously the claims of harassment victims Tarc Nov 2018 #238

Stop with the passive aggressive BULLSHIT. Adrahil Nov 2018 #251

Someone is antsy today Tarc Nov 2018 #270

This message was self-deleted by its author Tarc Nov 2018 #239

Of course both statements are wrong, but carry on. Nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #120

When I value your fact-free opinion, I'll let you know. Tarc Nov 2018 #132

BULLSHIT! It was a load of SHIT and she will never, ever, ever be president! LBM20 Nov 2018 #195

Tell the donors that. They are the ones she needs now. LakeArenal Nov 2018 #200

Donors only get one vote apiece, last I heard. (NT) PBass Nov 2018 #220

Same as individuals you debate here. LakeArenal Nov 2018 #254

Do you not see that as a problem? Being beholden to deep pockets? Tarc Nov 2018 #240

I'm sure Gillibrand needs the donors. LakeArenal Nov 2018 #255

There is a lot of hypocrisy in the statement about "best weapons." Renew Deal Nov 2018 #92

San Francisco philanthropists settle the issue? Sneederbunk Nov 2018 #97

The dems coordinated and chose her to go first. tammywammy Nov 2018 #98

GOOD! stonecutter357 Nov 2018 #100

Who is surprised by this? Gothmog Nov 2018 #106

Anger is also on the minds of some who would support her otherwise. lark Nov 2018 #107

Kick. sarcasmo Nov 2018 #108

In regard to the whole Franken affair Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #109

hit piece. Kurt V. Nov 2018 #110

LOL, non-story with 100 recs, but nice try! Nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #123

lol. bfd Kurt V. Nov 2018 #148

I think it is pretty weak that she would lose votes in a general over it. WeekiWater Nov 2018 #112

I will never forgive her for jumping on the anti Franken bandwagon without getting to the truth kimbutgar Nov 2018 #113

The fact that she is so unaware of the damage is reason enough to reject her. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2018 #115

What goes around comes around ConnorMarc Nov 2018 #116

Looking around seeing if I can find a fu#k... libdem4life Nov 2018 #118

As usual DFW Nov 2018 #122

great analogy... druidity33 Nov 2018 #166

So all 7 women were republican operatives? Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #173

What democratic staffer? Do we even know her name? LisaL Nov 2018 #175

Tina Dupuy Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #182

The one who claimed he squeezed her waist during the photo for which she posed with him? LisaL Nov 2018 #221

Some of the women say he grabbed their ass. He did not dispute that. (NT) PBass Nov 2018 #222

I believe that he did Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #225

I think several claimed that. Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #226

Nuanced question DFW Nov 2018 #190

How do you know all this? Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #205

I don't need psychic abilities. Just ask him. DFW Nov 2018 #230

Has Franken said any of this publicly? Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #231

You're quite right about one thing DFW Nov 2018 #247

OK. I can see where you are coming from Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #249

This message was self-deleted by its author Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #248

Couldn't word it any better. VOX Nov 2018 #192

What about all the one trick ponies Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #209

Why should we give her a pass torius Nov 2018 #126

Franken's scandal was not Progressive dog Nov 2018 #127

Yes it was/is. Who cares if she was re-elected wasupaloopa Nov 2018 #129

Her district is NY State Renew Deal Nov 2018 #135

Democratic voters in NY care that Gillibrand was re-elected Progressive dog Nov 2018 #137

The district is called the State of New York and we cared thanks. nt UniteFightBack Nov 2018 #243

I agree fully, a shame that some of the DU aren't capable of seeing the double-standard Tarc Nov 2018 #134

Shame on Gillibrand marieo1 Nov 2018 #130

Perhaps one of the "Shame on Gillibrand!" folk can answer the following Tarc Nov 2018 #136

Or Warren or Harris or anyone else? nt Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #171

I guess sometimes life isn't fair. LisaL Nov 2018 #178

They were ALL wrong, but she led the charge. Sorry, no excuses for her. LBM20 Nov 2018 #198

Thus far, Mr. LBM20, your argument style is hands-over-ear, eyes-closed Tarc Nov 2018 #241

Good!!! SayitAintSo Nov 2018 #138

Lest we forget: Roger Stone Cetacea Nov 2018 #139

Was Stone behind the other 7 women too Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #170

That would be EX-Democratic staffer Tina Dupuy Denzil_DC Nov 2018 #199

Yes Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #206

Well, if you're going to try to play Mr. Online Tough Guy, Denzil_DC Nov 2018 #210

No I just rather discuss the issue Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #215

I provided a link. You didn't like it. Denzil_DC Nov 2018 #242

A link to one tweet Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #245

I'll repeat and clarify. Denzil_DC Nov 2018 #250

Apologies Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #252

Oh, here we go again. Denzil_DC Nov 2018 #253

But that is not proof Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #257

"the dear leader", "cult of personality" Just listen to yourself! Denzil_DC Nov 2018 #259

Let's please discuss the issue Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #261

"the dear leader", "cult of personality" ... Denzil_DC Nov 2018 #262

Don't put words in my mouth Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #266

I think this thread and the issue is an indictment how we treat women and girls in our society, Wintryjade Nov 2018 #140

Dems need to get tougher Dolly123Jimmy Nov 2018 #147

We did NOT lose a Senate seat over this! (NT) PBass Nov 2018 #217

However, it's very possible that FRANKEN would have lost HIS seat. PBass Nov 2018 #218

Let's try that one again DFW Nov 2018 #229

Yes! Kitchari Nov 2018 #234

Yup. roody Nov 2018 #151

There is another tiptop Democratic fund raiser in San Francisco disndat Nov 2018 #159

No Support For Gillibrand In The Primaries Vogon_Glory Nov 2018 #162

No chance cp Nov 2018 #167

Same can be said for Kamala Harris. As a former AG, she ought to have known better. Kaleva Nov 2018 #168

It's a crowded field RhodeIslandOne Nov 2018 #174

Yep. She will never get my vote. LisaL Nov 2018 #176

Never? Renew Deal Nov 2018 #196

Are you also eliminating Sanders, Harris, Warren, Booker and Brown? PBass Nov 2018 #219

Kirsten who? TheCowsCameHome Nov 2018 #183

Al Franken for president! mia Nov 2018 #185

+1 n/t wroberts189 Nov 2018 #208

she needs to lose a primary. but she's not the reason he's gone. certainot Nov 2018 #189

I won't support Gillibrand in the primary for exactly that reason. PatrickforO Nov 2018 #191

As it should. Franken got screwed over bigtime. It was bush league bullshit. And she led the charge. LBM20 Nov 2018 #194

Kristen Gillibrand pamdb Nov 2018 #203

Good I hope it continues nt doc03 Nov 2018 #211

Unfortunately those photos really did him in gyroscope Nov 2018 #212

I will continue to support Democrats. Seems like a DU position to take. nt fleabiscuit Nov 2018 #216

It's why I would only vote for her if she ends up the general election candidate. Vinca Nov 2018 #233

The irony in all this is twofold: no_hypocrisy Nov 2018 #235

Do you really think that the Republicans on the Ethics committee Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #269

I would support her, but... Mike Nelson Nov 2018 #236

I support Democrats unless they are corrupt dirtbags period. GET A HOLD OF YOURSELVES. nt UniteFightBack Nov 2018 #244

How do you feel about her bill to criminalize protesting Hortensis Nov 2018 #246

Wow, what a horrible idea. Thanks for the info. (nt) klook Jan 2019 #271

I don't think Gillibrand is going to have a funding problem if she runs... brooklynite Nov 2018 #258

OK, we get it. nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #268

I simply cannot support Giliibrand and this is why lovemydogs Nov 2018 #260

Franken Stays Silent as Gillibrand Faces Attacks Gothmog Nov 2018 #263