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Bernie Sanders: I will probably run in 2020 if I'm the best candidate to beat Trump [View all] Mrs. Overall Nov 2018 OP

He didn't do much to end Trump in 2016 katmondoo Nov 2018 #1

Did hurt Dems in 2016? empedocles Nov 2018 #2

I think so, yes. NT Adrahil Nov 2018 #9

He helped give us trump Fullduplexxx Nov 2018 #30

you have no numbers to back that up, and that is hardly the picture the numbers actually paint. nt JCanete Nov 2018 #57

Do you tire of being wrong? Gothmog Nov 2018 #120

+1,000,000 George II Nov 2018 #131

I know you've seen the refutation of the nonsense you just _+100000'd in the past, but JCanete Nov 2018 #198

I saw what you said, but I wouldn't characterize it was "refutation" since.... George II Nov 2018 #209

The issue is that those concrete facts, while concrete don't say what you or he are saying they say. JCanete Nov 2018 #221

Have you considered complaining to the experts at the Washington Post? Gothmog Nov 2018 #260

First, wapo has a reason to present their facts the way they do. They like the status quo, JCanete Nov 2018 #262

So you are admitting that you have no facts to refute the Washington Post's excellant analysis Gothmog Nov 2018 #264

I live in the real world and I like using facts Gothmog Nov 2018 #265

Quit lying about what I'm saying. Please. I've never refuted the facts in the article. JCanete Nov 2018 #267

The experts at the Washington Post disagrees Gothmog Nov 2018 #268

Yikes!!!! sheshe2 Nov 2018 #151

you seriously haven't seen that study before? Its still a lousy argument too, and I've JCanete Nov 2018 #200

How is it Bernie's fault if... at140 Nov 2018 #154

sanders was aided by Russia which pushed anti-Clinton stories Gothmog Nov 2018 #164

I don't understand how Russians benefit with Bernie as POTUS at140 Nov 2018 #169

Read the mueller indictment Gothmog Nov 2018 #172

They didn't want him, but they wanted to severely damage Clinton's general election candidacy. George II Nov 2018 #212

Russians were familiar with Clinton... at140 Nov 2018 #216

Putin absolutely despises Hillary Clinton. That overrides just about anything else. George II Nov 2018 #218

Just like how not_the_one Nov 2018 #230

Russians were likely familiar with Trump. Caliman73 Nov 2018 #220

What did Sanders and his campaign say about Hillary? LiberalFighter Nov 2018 #173

Were they competing in the primary? at140 Nov 2018 #174

Wow, that makes it look like Bernie could beat Trump in those states. sfwriter Nov 2018 #155

sander would lose a ton of African American support if he was the nominee Gothmog Nov 2018 #163

Doubtful, and you also have no evidence to back up that claim. Just an opinion. If you have data JCanete Nov 2018 #199

Crickets! at140 Nov 2018 #217

You do know that sanders delegates booed Congressman John Lewis?? Gothmog Nov 2018 #237

How do you figure that? Those weren't "general election" votes. George II Nov 2018 #211

That shows in the primary he pulled in crossover voters, who Liberty Belle Nov 2018 #157

There are specific concrete reasons for that, but I'm not going to get into it. George II Nov 2018 #213

I know you don't, since I can refute this very argument, never have my refutation challenged, and JCanete Nov 2018 #197

Did enough Bernie Sanders supporters vote for Trump to cost Clinton the election? Gothmog Nov 2018 #238

And how does who Sanders supporters-a small percentage of them-voting for Trump, prove JCanete Nov 2018 #240

Look at the margins of trump's victory Gothmog Nov 2018 #245

explained in another post. nt JCanete Nov 2018 #247

Not really Gothmog Nov 2018 #254

They know tRump's collusion with the Russians stole the election from Hillary... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #162

Russia helped sanders a great deal and pushed anti-Clinton stories Gothmog Nov 2018 #165

What numbers are that of which you speak? George II Nov 2018 #215

Some study that actually shows that Sanders running hurt Clinton? Numbers that extrapolate JCanete Nov 2018 #223

And that study of yours is............? Thanks in advance. George II Nov 2018 #228

I said I didn't have any such numbers. I said I wouldn't make the bold claim that I KNOW JCanete Nov 2018 #231

I subscribe to the Washington Post Gothmog Nov 2018 #239

They are facts. I didn't deny them. They just don't add up to what you are saying they add up to. nt JCanete Nov 2018 #241

Why not? Gothmog Nov 2018 #244

ugh.. I did explain it. Your claim is predicated on an unverifiable assumption that had Sanders not JCanete Nov 2018 #248

The fact that you think that you disproved anything is really cute and adorable Gothmog Nov 2018 #249

Again, the fact that you think that proved anything is really cute and adorable Gothmog Nov 2018 #250

I give up. Instead of actually dealing with my criticism of your conclusions, you just go back to JCanete Nov 2018 #255

You should consider reading up on the issues and using facts to support your claims Gothmog Nov 2018 #256

you should consider using facts THAT support your claims. nt JCanete Nov 2018 #257

I did and you failed to refute these facts Gothmog Nov 2018 #258

just random nonsense. What does Sanders book have to do with anything here? JCanete Nov 2018 #261

The comments that gave rise to the OP were in connection with sandes latest book tour Gothmog Nov 2018 #263

Here is the study Gothmog Nov 2018 #259

Yes. MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #87

Hell Yes.. and he sure as better Hell Not Cha Nov 2018 #126

He most certainly hurt the Dems by refusing to concede when he could not mathematically win KitSileya Nov 2018 #194

Thank You, Kit! Cha Nov 2018 #196

Aside from that, his support for Clinton was lukewarm throughout the general election campaign.... George II Nov 2018 #246

I was active in the Super Tuesday primaries and it was clear that sanders lost Gothmog Nov 2018 #266

He helped Trump actually ghostsinthemachine Nov 2018 #3

No...by not being a democrat? Are you kidding me with that shit? He ran as a democrat IN the primary JCanete Nov 2018 #59

Indeed, Bernie helped Hillary immensely... he certainly helped her InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #171

This message was self-deleted by its author Wintryjade Nov 2018 #177

Why would you say such a thing that is so easily verifiable as being untrue?!?! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #181

Deleted. I googled. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #185

Fair enough... no worries. I was just a little surprised, because you seem InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #186

Thank you. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #187

No he didn't "run her down" any more than O'Malley did karynnj Nov 2018 #89

This totally goes against now known facts that contradict R B Garr Nov 2018 #106

I know, right! WTH.. trying to rewrite History Cha Nov 2018 #130

This message was self-deleted by its author R B Garr Nov 2018 #159

LOL, sorry, Cha! It looks like I fat fingered the responses in My Posts to R B Garr Nov 2018 #253

No worries, RB! Cha Nov 2018 #269

BULL! Cha Nov 2018 #127

Please enlighten me about something Jim Lane Nov 2018 #195

Of course, everyone knows the truth of what you're saying... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #182

If HRC could be "run down" by a "gadfly" from VT BeyondGeography Nov 2018 #104

Excellent point! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #183

He certainly didn't enthusiastically campaign for Clinton. George II Nov 2018 #214

How many more of these leftynyc Nov 2018 #4

I didn't post this to divide Democrats. Bernie Sanders is an issue that we may have to deal Mrs. Overall Nov 2018 #7

Sure. In considering this statement and wondering Hortensis Nov 2018 #18

I Believe He'll Try To Run Me. Nov 2018 #40

:) I'm imagining someone claiming Democratic Hortensis Nov 2018 #48

Well, The ONe The Cons Fear Is...... Me. Nov 2018 #52

:) She is very redoubtable and belongs on judiciary for Hortensis Nov 2018 #76

If I had the time I would find the posts I have here and elsewhere that say Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #53

:) Are you that sure he won't run in the primary, Eliot, Hortensis Nov 2018 #78

As of this AM, he couldn't sell out the 1500 seat Town Hall for the kick-off of his book tour today lapucelle Nov 2018 #136

VividSeats has 248 tickets available (an hour after the start) with $45 Orchestra tickets... George II Nov 2018 #144

... lapucelle Nov 2018 #150

Sad. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #160

Selling his book at Amazon! Better Cha Nov 2018 #145

I wonder how they manage such deep discounts. lapucelle Nov 2018 #153

He was on The View and NPR today as well selling his book. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #161

... Cha Nov 2018 #166

ummmhmm sheshe2 Nov 2018 #167

I saw him on The View, he talked about unity and bipartisanship. betsuni Nov 2018 #179

Wow. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #189

He's optimistic that the Senate can pass legislation with bipartisan support. betsuni Nov 2018 #191

The country is divided. It's silly to deny that. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #201

It's an odd mix of cynicism toward Democrats (beholden to corporations and wealthy donors) betsuni Nov 2018 #205

My wife missed the first half of the View today. She asked, "did I miss anything?" George II Nov 2018 #180

Yikes! Me. Nov 2018 #148

This is not a good sign Gothmog Nov 2018 #193

IGNORE HIM leftynyc Nov 2018 #23

if hes the nominee i will vote for him but not donate nor support..... samnsara Nov 2018 #56

He's not an issue to deal with. He's another potential candidate in the democratic field. JCanete Nov 2018 #60

What I meant was if he runs as an Independent (that would make it the "issue"). Mrs. Overall Nov 2018 #65

Okay, but I think it highly highly improbable that he would run as an independent. He knows that JCanete Nov 2018 #68

He doesn't run as an Independent because "it would split the vote," Dems have $$ and Marketing. ehrnst Nov 2018 #208

Nonsense, that has nothing to do with why he runs as a democrat in Vermont. I know that JCanete Nov 2018 #222

I'm talking about him running for POTUS. (ntt) ehrnst Nov 2018 #225

There are obstacles to him running as a Democrat, not the least of which is the requirement.... George II Nov 2018 #149

And if he loses the nomination again displacedtexan Nov 2018 #224

Most likely. After all, he's negotiated a methodology whereby he gets the "Democratic"... George II Nov 2018 #226

Exactly.. thanks Mrs Overall. The fact Cha Nov 2018 #132

Thank you, Cha. Mrs. Overall Nov 2018 #210

No worries, mate! Cha Nov 2018 #234

Oh, Bernie's running all right... he's ranked only behind Biden in potential candidates InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #188

in terms of him running as a Dem ...... But Sanders IS NOT a Democrat. He is an Independent. trueblue2007 Nov 2018 #192

Go Bernie! Power 2 the People Nov 2018 #5

Go Biden! R B Garr Nov 2018 #17

+1000 pandr32 Nov 2018 #32

Yes, I only support DEMOCRATS. That is until something better comes along and I can ASSURE Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #55

"I only support DEMOCRATS." Why shouldn't we be allowed, expected to say and feel this? Wintryjade Nov 2018 #102

Go Biden LakeArenal Nov 2018 #156

Yes, GO Bernie. George II Nov 2018 #152

That is reassuring DFW Nov 2018 #6

He can't get nominated, yet I'm sure he thinks he's the best candidate. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #25

I don't care if he thinks he's Caligula's horse DFW Nov 2018 #49

Old Man Yells At Cloud PubliusEnigma Nov 2018 #8

I'm glad we have several attractive, young potential candidates. brush Nov 2018 #10

So that means he's not running. That's good news for the party! LonePirate Nov 2018 #11

He won't be. If there were nothing else, he'd still be 79 Hortensis Nov 2018 #12

As a third party Independent candidate? sarcasmo Nov 2018 #13

You're not the best candidate, Bernie. MineralMan Nov 2018 #14

You're not saying Hillary shouldn't have run again, are you? shanny Nov 2018 #41

Why would I say that. Anyone can run for President. MineralMan Nov 2018 #42

Because she lost once. Like Bernie. shanny Nov 2018 #43

That doesn't matter. She can run. Bernie can run. MineralMan Nov 2018 #44

YEP krawhitham Nov 2018 #51

Bernie's toast before he launches his campaign. kstewart33 Nov 2018 #62

Yep Go Vols Nov 2018 #117

Sanders adopted Clinton college and minimum wage progression. Clinton really did not do much moving Wintryjade Nov 2018 #121

minimum 5 or 7 years FULL tax returns before even considering allowing anyone to run Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #64

He won't put out his taxes. After successfully not doing it in 2016, he is comfortable that is not Wintryjade Nov 2018 #83

You're right about that, but, I do think the right thing for Bernie & others to do is put out InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #184

He did claim to be a Democrat for the duration of the campaign. MineralMan Nov 2018 #84

His policy platforms are the Democratic Party's position for a couple decades. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #88

Well, with some variations, that is true. MineralMan Nov 2018 #90

I believe they should be transparent, also. Another thing I admires our Democrat Leaders, Wintryjade Nov 2018 #99

A: You're not. Gidney N Cloyd Nov 2018 #15

Some states are requiring showing your tax return before they can be on the ballot. redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #16

Amen. The hypocrisy about transparency will not survive R B Garr Nov 2018 #19

Which states have done that if you know? Are they substantial enough to make it so Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #66

According to Axios there are 25 that have either done it or are preparing to do it. It is aimed at redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #98

Thanks, and it may well turn out to be unconstitutional. The interesting thing will be to see WHO Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #109

Then he won't be running. MoonRiver Nov 2018 #20

The midterms are over. It's time for the Democratic Party to get its act together aikoaiko Nov 2018 #21

This is how we win. People need to WAKE UP TO THIS FACT. realmirage Nov 2018 #85

Sorry Bernie, you are not the best candidate. Whether justified or not you would create division still_one Nov 2018 #22

so I read that as qazplm135 Nov 2018 #24

Yeah, it's more like he's waiting to see which Democrat he R B Garr Nov 2018 #26

...right...because polling showed him first or second last time around. The shit people make up here JCanete Nov 2018 #74

uh pretty much from the start he was the only viable alternative qazplm135 Nov 2018 #79

no evidence that he was going to be more than a blip when he ran. yeah, sure, technically thats JCanete Nov 2018 #93

I just gave all the factors that laid out he was going to be more than qazplm135 Nov 2018 #94

Actually we had no idea how loud that segment would be. That he generated all that JCanete Nov 2018 #96

riiight qazplm135 Nov 2018 #97

Yes of course, he saw at least the potential of being able to generate influence. That's not knowing JCanete Nov 2018 #105

lol qazplm135 Nov 2018 #110

I can argue HRC was more progressive than Sanders, in reality. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #111

Well...I was a Hillary supporter qazplm135 Nov 2018 #112

You did not hear my argument. Without any knowledge of what I would argue, Wintryjade Nov 2018 #113

I haven't heard your argument on anti-gravity either qazplm135 Nov 2018 #115

Really? This is your argument. Hm. Whatever, lol. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #122

that's not an effective logic. Yeah, and Freaks and Geeks was guaranteed to attract anybody JCanete Nov 2018 #114

And again, no consideration to what the argument is. Interesting. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #123

nope qazplm135 Nov 2018 #124

That says a lot about you and your position. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #125

no I think it says more about how silly qazplm135 Nov 2018 #142

You can't think that since you do not know. Lol. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #158

Lol sure I can qazplm135 Nov 2018 #175

Probably no. awesomerwb1 Nov 2018 #27

... LexVegas Nov 2018 #28

Bernie's run! vishnura Nov 2018 #29

He's not. Next. Bleacher Creature Nov 2018 #31

He has a 100% lifetime grades from the NAACP JonLP24 Nov 2018 #34

He talks the talk but other prominent potential candidates walk the walk. George II Nov 2018 #135

He does as evidenced by his ratings JonLP24 Nov 2018 #137

I'm not going to go through all of his votes, but there are many that were NOT in line... George II Nov 2018 #140

I disagree with his vote against the Magnistky Act JonLP24 Nov 2018 #143

The only other Senator to vote against the Russia sanctions was Rand Paul. That tells me a lot. George II Nov 2018 #146

Rand Paul is Russia friendly JonLP24 Nov 2018 #147

ooh thankfully finally somebody pointed out the irrelevant detail that he doesn't put a d after his JCanete Nov 2018 #63

Very reasonable of him realmirage Nov 2018 #33

No Senator Sanders, you are not the best candidate. Small-Axe Nov 2018 #35

Staged comments designed to hold his dwindling base together while keeping money coming in. N/T WeekiWater Nov 2018 #36

he's not running then. Kurt V. Nov 2018 #37

Bernie never stopped running so he will run. comradebillyboy Nov 2018 #38

scorched earth would be running 3rd party in the General. Did he do that last time? This is silly. JCanete Nov 2018 #72

Spot on as usual! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2018 #190

Right. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #75

Dead On! Cha Nov 2018 #138

Hey Bernie. You aren't...nt SidDithers Nov 2018 #39

By his own analysis, he's always the best. JaneQPublic Nov 2018 #45

Thank you for your truth telling! Small-Axe Nov 2018 #58

oh jesus..are you pulling out that stupid metric? Do you understand it before you just quote it JCanete Nov 2018 #73

He won't be doing it as a Democrat. boston bean Nov 2018 #46

says who? You? JCanete Nov 2018 #61

Yep. boston bean Nov 2018 #67

heh...okay. Make sure you let him know then. nt JCanete Nov 2018 #69

He will figure it out soon enough. boston bean Nov 2018 #70

This is where I am, keep asking. I really can't see the Democratic party welcoming him for the 3rd Wintryjade Nov 2018 #80

My goodness, that's needy. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2018 #47

NOPE, and I voted for him in the primary last time krawhitham Nov 2018 #50

i need anti acid now...or a shot of tequila.. samnsara Nov 2018 #54

As an Independent or a Democrat and does the Democratic Party simply allow him to run Wintryjade Nov 2018 #71

Maybe he thinks it's "his turn..." LanternWaste Nov 2018 #77

Run away, Bernie. DavidDvorkin Nov 2018 #81

Let's see what happens: but I think he will pass on his mantle to a younger progressive andym Nov 2018 #82

He didn't have the votes then and he especially does not have the votes now. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #86

i agree Bernie just won't have the votes andym Nov 2018 #91

I do not define them as progressives. I see progressive with our Democratic Leaders. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #101

Interesting...I totally disagree with you on Sanders economic populism, and think its JCanete Nov 2018 #95

Bernie has never been vetted. The gop would love to run against him so that Kahuna7 Nov 2018 #92

Bernie and Biden are the only likely candidates Eric J in MN Nov 2018 #229

You think bernie was vetted? Hillary never laid a hand on him. And Kahuna7 Nov 2018 #233

Good Marrah_Goodman Nov 2018 #100

Bernie Joediss Nov 2018 #103

Biden is ahead of Bernie in all 2020 polling I've seen n/t emulatorloo Nov 2018 #107

If it were only a choice between Cha Nov 2018 #141

I would support Joe if he ran Gothmog Nov 2018 #243

Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #108

I really can't see any way he would win the nomination JI7 Nov 2018 #116

sanders wil not be the nominee Gothmog Nov 2018 #119

Oh Goodie, we get to see five or ten years of sanders tax returns Gothmog Nov 2018 #118

That's the first thing I thought of myself. He can't say pnwmom Nov 2018 #207

"I will probably run in 2020 if I'm the best candidate to beat Trump".... George II Nov 2018 #128

I hope Not BS. there's So Many Cha Nov 2018 #133

Hmm... fleabiscuit Nov 2018 #204

Stop Bernie TEB Nov 2018 #129

So he's running as an Independent? Cha Nov 2018 #134

Smacks a bit of 45's "I alone can fix it." VOX Nov 2018 #139

Good. My bumper sticker will get roody Nov 2018 #168

He'll lose again Renew Deal Nov 2018 #170

2016 was tailor-made for Sanders, and the race was over by Super Tuesday. Garrett78 Nov 2018 #176

Yes. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #178

Hahahahaha... LMFAO! Didn't set the bar very high. Hahaha... nt fleabiscuit Nov 2018 #202

Really.. Good point, flea. Cha Nov 2018 #236

I'll pass. RandySF Nov 2018 #203

I hope he's prepared to release 5 - 10 years of tax returns. pnwmom Nov 2018 #206

I like Bernie AND I fully agree with you on that. n/t Tom Rinaldo Nov 2018 #219

* Help Trump n/t OhZone Nov 2018 #227

I stand with Bernie. Joe941 Nov 2018 #232

BS is too divisive. Cha Nov 2018 #235

Sanders is busy selling his latest book Gothmog Nov 2018 #242

and that's how we get pence; AlexSFCA Nov 2018 #251

He should if that's the case, but it probably won't be just like 2016. He may not be our brewens Nov 2018 #252