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Honeycombe8

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180. You understand the difference between a bad joke by a comedian, and harassment?

Mon Nov 26, 2018, 08:55 PM

Nov 2018

That's what we're talking about. A USO tour, where all the entertainers are bawdy. He plays a joke (he's not touching her...he's pretending to touch her), that looking back, is inappropriate.

It's noteworthy that she went on Fox to claim harassment, after Franken was getting national attention for his questions at the Senate Judiciary Committee hearings on Russia, particularly his questions to Sessions.

McConnell voted to oust Franken. Many Democrats followed suit, showing that they actually agreed with the Republican who wanted to get rid of one of the most effective Democratic Senators on the Committee. And further showing they could be played like fiddles, which they were. None of those on the list asking that Franken be ousted are leaders. They are followers, easily manipulated.

As a reminder, here SHE is in performance at that same USO tour. Notice that she IS touching someone inappropriately. Now maybe you can see what went down here by the Republicans.

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Franken scandal haunts Gillibrand's 2020 chances [View all] workinclasszero Nov 2018 OP

Good! Nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #1

seconded Afromania Nov 2018 #8

Thirdeded hurple Nov 2018 #91

Fourthed. She'll have to be the only Democrat in the primary before I will support her run. marble falls Nov 2018 #154

Second your fourth and agree with your second statement. dae Nov 2018 #160

Put me in the same pile of agreement. I don't like what she did *at all*. BlueInRedHell Nov 2018 #161

Fifthed. I haven't forgotten. Never will. Either she had an ulterior motive,... Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #164

Sixthed. I think we are making up numbers but it gets the point across. + a lot. Amaryllis Nov 2018 #187

Or, naively thought that this would make her the darling of women question everything Nov 2018 #188

Umpteenthed! I'm STILL pissed. bitterross Nov 2018 #204

Its only good if she doesn't run, but bad because her opponent will be a republican Perseus Nov 2018 #83

I would never vote against a dem! But gladly against her in a primary. Nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #87

I don't think there is a problem with her remaining in the senate dhol82 Nov 2018 #88

She was just re-elected in NY with a higher margin than Cuomo Renew Deal Nov 2018 #93

Agree with her regarding Franken? SergeStorms Nov 2018 #95

There was a shred Renew Deal Nov 2018 #101

No there not a shred, Butterflylady Nov 2018 #128

He apologized for it Renew Deal Nov 2018 #131

You understand the difference between a bad joke by a comedian, and harassment? Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #180

Pathetic. It was a gag photo in front of witnesses and a photograher. brush Nov 2018 #184

Not to mention the grope resistant military body armor. Marcuse Nov 2018 #186

Let's not forget WHO brought this whole issue to the public: Haggis for Breakfast Nov 2018 #202

It looked like he was a foot away, that photo being used against him was bullshit. Autumn Nov 2018 #193

Nonsense smear. mn9driver Nov 2018 #155

You should let him know Renew Deal Nov 2018 #156

Because he has class. Unlike some senators. mn9driver Nov 2018 #158

He apologized for a bad joke. Not harassment. Here's HER bawdy behavior. Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #223

Because that's what the #MeToo movement demanded at the time. SergeStorms Nov 2018 #227

Agreed. He is not touching her. It's a bawdy joke on a bawdy USO tour. Here's HER bawdiness: Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #181

That's a right wing talking point. SergeStorms Nov 2018 #224

If she runs for president she will not primary well in NY dhol82 Nov 2018 #96

You're basing that on.... Renew Deal Nov 2018 #102

The anger I see against her? dhol82 Nov 2018 #103

There is more that goes on beyond what you can see Renew Deal Nov 2018 #104

Is that you, Kirsten? SergeStorms Nov 2018 #228

Please give us the final figures for Cuomo and Gillibrand disndat Nov 2018 #152

Here you go... Renew Deal Nov 2018 #157

Looking at the numbers below Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #169

I voted for her LoveMyCali Nov 2018 #256

That's her district. Not nationally. nt Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #165

What district is she in? Renew Deal Nov 2018 #177

I forget her district. She's not nationally known. She has kept a low profile... Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #179

Not a district but the entire state of NY nt Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #264

Oh, that's right.... Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #267

New York State Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #265

+1 krawhitham Nov 2018 #114

good!!!! She bullied Senator Franken. He is one of the good guys. trueblue2007 Nov 2018 #149

So, it really is not "JUST DU".... hlthe2b Nov 2018 #2

Nope, not just DU workinclasszero Nov 2018 #4

+1 Baitball Blogger Nov 2018 #30

I was thinking the same thing PatSeg Nov 2018 #23

The "just DU" argument had no merit anyway since DU is made up of Dems... brush Nov 2018 #38

Damn right, and I will never forget what she did. a kennedy Nov 2018 #3

I'm bitter about it. Kittycow Nov 2018 #5

and sadly NewJeffCT Nov 2018 #11

Sherrod Brown and I had several email conversations True Blue American Nov 2018 #89

you better believe it does. She's toast for anything in Democratic party Rene Nov 2018 #6

Truth. Fuzzpope Nov 2018 #7

Yes! I'll take Franken back before I would take wasupaloopa Nov 2018 #9

I didnt vote for her either mgardener Nov 2018 #51

Are you saying you didn't vote for her in the GE? KitSileya Nov 2018 #146

I think the rule is that you don't campaign against a democrat dflprincess Nov 2018 #201

That's bullshit. KitSileya Nov 2018 #213

Oh Politico.... MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #10

It's not dividing the party.. Fuzzpope Nov 2018 #15

Sorry, I'm not one to cut off my nose to spite my face. Seems MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #18

Oh. OK.. Fuzzpope Nov 2018 #21

We obviously see things differently. MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #25

It was her actions. Who else is accountable? Gore1FL Nov 2018 #39

I have no problem with seeking better candidates. MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #46

We have several qualified and attractive candidates. We can do without her... brush Nov 2018 #44

It's not her baggage. Just like the emails and speeches weren't Hillary's baggage. MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #47

It's a fucking pile on. Wounded Bear Nov 2018 #56

karmas a funny thing ain't it? - n/t Locrian Nov 2018 #94

Call it whatever you wanna call it. It still follows her. brush Nov 2018 #61

In my "just DU" opinion, LakeArenal Nov 2018 #67

Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #65

"so I guess I would be voting for a republican by withholding my vote" MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #69

Its there bread and butter. aikoaiko Nov 2018 #153

Glad to hear it. (nt) Paladin Nov 2018 #12

They not only hurt them with me, Mira Nov 2018 #13

It's no surprise really. OnDoutside Nov 2018 #14

Her horse won't get out of the gate. /nt Zen Democrat Nov 2018 #16

It should! nt jrthin Nov 2018 #17

Whatdya know? It seems that chickens DO come home to roost. NurseJackie Nov 2018 #19

Al Franken, epitome of good husband, good guy, NEVER once touched ANYONE Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #111

So, run Al Franken for President. He's probably got a lot of time on his hands, He's certainly mulsh Nov 2018 #20

I'd like to see.. cannabis_flower Nov 2018 #119

I'd seriously love to have Franken run for President. Republicans couldn't say anything amywalk Nov 2018 #144

She's fine by me JonLP24 Nov 2018 #22

She is right on most issues. MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #27

Her record as a conservative state rep should also. Hortensis Nov 2018 #24

You're correct -- she was a Blue Dog when in the House of Representatives Jim Lane Nov 2018 #214

A huge red flag is her attempt to criminalize freedom of speech Hortensis Nov 2018 #232

Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #26

You obviously have that backwards. MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #29

Seems like someone is not paying attention... LakeSuperiorView Nov 2018 #40

her desire for higher office??? Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #105

Because SHE.......... MyOwnPeace Nov 2018 #45

Well then I guess you guys win, eh? MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #49

So, MyOwnPeace Nov 2018 #99

From what I recall Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2018 #125

Kristen and Al pamdb Nov 2018 #28

Exactly how I feel. n/t MicaelS Nov 2018 #75

+1. And I felt that way at the time she did that to Al. nt No Vested Interest Nov 2018 #163

No fan of Gilibrand, but this is typical Politico divisionary bullshit to divide Democrats. They still_one Nov 2018 #31

KG might have some good points, but DonCoquixote Nov 2018 #32

Gillibrand made a whooper of a mistake...regarding Al Franken - we should give asiliveandbreathe Nov 2018 #33

It really was Franken's grilling of Sessions, watoos Nov 2018 #34

Spot on. Al got Beauregard to recuse himself. brush Nov 2018 #55

I hope Al runs again. He will win if he does. allgood33 Nov 2018 #35

If we get a Democratic president in 2020 Eric J in MN Nov 2018 #53

If Al Franken ever decides to run for the Senate or any other office I will donate to his campaign! workinclasszero Nov 2018 #68

No True Blue American Nov 2018 #90

It should!!! redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #36

She's not better than drump, if she's reacting dreamland Nov 2018 #37

Agreed and thanks for the post. As a New Yorker I held my nose and voted for her. In a few c-rational Nov 2018 #41

Damned right it does. nt eppur_se_muova Nov 2018 #42

Good. I doubt she'll get enough money to even launch an exploratory committee. MoonRiver Nov 2018 #43

She will never get any support ($) or vote from me. usaf-vet Nov 2018 #48

Apparently he didn't have the intestinal fortitude Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #172

So glad to see we're not attacking Democrats. DeadLetterOffice Nov 2018 #50

+1 MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #52

+1 Amimnoch Nov 2018 #60

Really, saying who we think should not run for president is a bad thing? Nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #124

Al needs to figure out a way to stage his comeback janterry Nov 2018 #54

Loyalty Loyalty Loyalty JCMach1 Nov 2018 #57

As It Should Be dlk Nov 2018 #58

I hope she does not run. nt TeamPooka Nov 2018 #59

This NY resident won't forgive her. onlyadream Nov 2018 #62

Never trust anyone who labels you or your opinion: LakeArenal Nov 2018 #150

Accountability, Sen. Gillibrand. Own it like all the Dems on that hit list. Guilded Lilly Nov 2018 #63

I will never vote for her for anything . . . MrModerate Nov 2018 #64

Indeed wiley Nov 2018 #66

I have a very negative feeling about her to this day. Mickju Nov 2018 #70

What goes around comes around. KPN Nov 2018 #71

Yeah, she really screwed the pooch matt819 Nov 2018 #72

The question is, if she somehow got the nomination, would all on the Left vote for her? elocs Nov 2018 #73

Yes I would vote for her in that case workinclasszero Nov 2018 #77

Good. I hope it does more than haunt them. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2018 #74

As Kristen and Al said above... RobertDevereaux Nov 2018 #76

Self-serving narcissist and opportunist she is. keithbvadu2 Nov 2018 #78

She is already BillyBobBrilliant Nov 2018 #79

+1000 Power 2 the People Nov 2018 #80

What she did was so anti-justice, so lawless. BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2018 #81

I will not forgive her for her treatment of Franken. Nitram Nov 2018 #82

Agree! ananda Nov 2018 #84

GOOD. Karma. NT Adrahil Nov 2018 #85

Gillibrand did the right thing calling him out, Franken did the right thing in resigning Tarc Nov 2018 #86

Ah BannonsLiver Nov 2018 #117

True, poster must of been sleeping. It was silly! Nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #121

I'm sorry that you do not stand with victims of inappropriate sexual contact Tarc Nov 2018 #133

Neither do the courts before proof and due process. Get it yet? Nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #141

Franken rendered that moot when he accepted responsibility, apologized, and resigned Tarc Nov 2018 #142

LOL, nice try! Nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #143

Reality Tarc Nov 2018 #145

The "victims" were Trump lovers and some said he "squeezed" their waists during pics. Total SHIT! LBM20 Nov 2018 #197

You're awfully busy today denying the rights of victims of sexual assault Tarc Nov 2018 #237

I'm not at all convinced... Adrahil Nov 2018 #207

I'm sorry that you do not take seriously the claims of harassment victims Tarc Nov 2018 #238

Stop with the passive aggressive BULLSHIT. Adrahil Nov 2018 #251

Someone is antsy today Tarc Nov 2018 #270

This message was self-deleted by its author Tarc Nov 2018 #239

Of course both statements are wrong, but carry on. Nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #120

When I value your fact-free opinion, I'll let you know. Tarc Nov 2018 #132

BULLSHIT! It was a load of SHIT and she will never, ever, ever be president! LBM20 Nov 2018 #195

Tell the donors that. They are the ones she needs now. LakeArenal Nov 2018 #200

Donors only get one vote apiece, last I heard. (NT) PBass Nov 2018 #220

Same as individuals you debate here. LakeArenal Nov 2018 #254

Do you not see that as a problem? Being beholden to deep pockets? Tarc Nov 2018 #240

I'm sure Gillibrand needs the donors. LakeArenal Nov 2018 #255

There is a lot of hypocrisy in the statement about "best weapons." Renew Deal Nov 2018 #92

San Francisco philanthropists settle the issue? Sneederbunk Nov 2018 #97

The dems coordinated and chose her to go first. tammywammy Nov 2018 #98

GOOD! stonecutter357 Nov 2018 #100

Who is surprised by this? Gothmog Nov 2018 #106

Anger is also on the minds of some who would support her otherwise. lark Nov 2018 #107

Kick. sarcasmo Nov 2018 #108

In regard to the whole Franken affair Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #109

hit piece. Kurt V. Nov 2018 #110

LOL, non-story with 100 recs, but nice try! Nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #123

lol. bfd Kurt V. Nov 2018 #148

I think it is pretty weak that she would lose votes in a general over it. WeekiWater Nov 2018 #112

I will never forgive her for jumping on the anti Franken bandwagon without getting to the truth kimbutgar Nov 2018 #113

The fact that she is so unaware of the damage is reason enough to reject her. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2018 #115

What goes around comes around ConnorMarc Nov 2018 #116

Looking around seeing if I can find a fu#k... libdem4life Nov 2018 #118

As usual DFW Nov 2018 #122

great analogy... druidity33 Nov 2018 #166

So all 7 women were republican operatives? Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #173

What democratic staffer? Do we even know her name? LisaL Nov 2018 #175

Tina Dupuy Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #182

The one who claimed he squeezed her waist during the photo for which she posed with him? LisaL Nov 2018 #221

Some of the women say he grabbed their ass. He did not dispute that. (NT) PBass Nov 2018 #222

I believe that he did Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #225

I think several claimed that. Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #226

Nuanced question DFW Nov 2018 #190

How do you know all this? Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #205

I don't need psychic abilities. Just ask him. DFW Nov 2018 #230

Has Franken said any of this publicly? Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #231

You're quite right about one thing DFW Nov 2018 #247

OK. I can see where you are coming from Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #249

This message was self-deleted by its author Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #248

Couldn't word it any better. VOX Nov 2018 #192

What about all the one trick ponies Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #209

Why should we give her a pass torius Nov 2018 #126

Franken's scandal was not Progressive dog Nov 2018 #127

Yes it was/is. Who cares if she was re-elected wasupaloopa Nov 2018 #129

Her district is NY State Renew Deal Nov 2018 #135

Democratic voters in NY care that Gillibrand was re-elected Progressive dog Nov 2018 #137

The district is called the State of New York and we cared thanks. nt UniteFightBack Nov 2018 #243

I agree fully, a shame that some of the DU aren't capable of seeing the double-standard Tarc Nov 2018 #134

Shame on Gillibrand marieo1 Nov 2018 #130

Perhaps one of the "Shame on Gillibrand!" folk can answer the following Tarc Nov 2018 #136

Or Warren or Harris or anyone else? nt Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #171

I guess sometimes life isn't fair. LisaL Nov 2018 #178

They were ALL wrong, but she led the charge. Sorry, no excuses for her. LBM20 Nov 2018 #198

Thus far, Mr. LBM20, your argument style is hands-over-ear, eyes-closed Tarc Nov 2018 #241

Good!!! SayitAintSo Nov 2018 #138

Lest we forget: Roger Stone Cetacea Nov 2018 #139

Was Stone behind the other 7 women too Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #170

That would be EX-Democratic staffer Tina Dupuy Denzil_DC Nov 2018 #199

Yes Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #206

Well, if you're going to try to play Mr. Online Tough Guy, Denzil_DC Nov 2018 #210

No I just rather discuss the issue Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #215

I provided a link. You didn't like it. Denzil_DC Nov 2018 #242

A link to one tweet Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #245

I'll repeat and clarify. Denzil_DC Nov 2018 #250

Apologies Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #252

Oh, here we go again. Denzil_DC Nov 2018 #253

But that is not proof Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #257

"the dear leader", "cult of personality" Just listen to yourself! Denzil_DC Nov 2018 #259

Let's please discuss the issue Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #261

"the dear leader", "cult of personality" ... Denzil_DC Nov 2018 #262

Don't put words in my mouth Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #266

I think this thread and the issue is an indictment how we treat women and girls in our society, Wintryjade Nov 2018 #140

Dems need to get tougher Dolly123Jimmy Nov 2018 #147

We did NOT lose a Senate seat over this! (NT) PBass Nov 2018 #217

However, it's very possible that FRANKEN would have lost HIS seat. PBass Nov 2018 #218

Let's try that one again DFW Nov 2018 #229

Yes! Kitchari Nov 2018 #234

Yup. roody Nov 2018 #151

There is another tiptop Democratic fund raiser in San Francisco disndat Nov 2018 #159

No Support For Gillibrand In The Primaries Vogon_Glory Nov 2018 #162

No chance cp Nov 2018 #167

Same can be said for Kamala Harris. As a former AG, she ought to have known better. Kaleva Nov 2018 #168

It's a crowded field RhodeIslandOne Nov 2018 #174

Yep. She will never get my vote. LisaL Nov 2018 #176

Never? Renew Deal Nov 2018 #196

Are you also eliminating Sanders, Harris, Warren, Booker and Brown? PBass Nov 2018 #219

Kirsten who? TheCowsCameHome Nov 2018 #183

Al Franken for president! mia Nov 2018 #185

+1 n/t wroberts189 Nov 2018 #208

she needs to lose a primary. but she's not the reason he's gone. certainot Nov 2018 #189

I won't support Gillibrand in the primary for exactly that reason. PatrickforO Nov 2018 #191

As it should. Franken got screwed over bigtime. It was bush league bullshit. And she led the charge. LBM20 Nov 2018 #194

Kristen Gillibrand pamdb Nov 2018 #203

Good I hope it continues nt doc03 Nov 2018 #211

Unfortunately those photos really did him in gyroscope Nov 2018 #212

I will continue to support Democrats. Seems like a DU position to take. nt fleabiscuit Nov 2018 #216

It's why I would only vote for her if she ends up the general election candidate. Vinca Nov 2018 #233

The irony in all this is twofold: no_hypocrisy Nov 2018 #235

Do you really think that the Republicans on the Ethics committee Trumpocalypse Nov 2018 #269

I would support her, but... Mike Nelson Nov 2018 #236

I support Democrats unless they are corrupt dirtbags period. GET A HOLD OF YOURSELVES. nt UniteFightBack Nov 2018 #244

How do you feel about her bill to criminalize protesting Hortensis Nov 2018 #246

Wow, what a horrible idea. Thanks for the info. (nt) klook Jan 2019 #271

I don't think Gillibrand is going to have a funding problem if she runs... brooklynite Nov 2018 #258

OK, we get it. nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #268

I simply cannot support Giliibrand and this is why lovemydogs Nov 2018 #260

Franken Stays Silent as Gillibrand Faces Attacks Gothmog Nov 2018 #263