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33. The lawyers talking to each other isn't lying to prosecutors or obstruction of justice
Tue Nov 27, 2018, 11:39 PM
Nov 2018

Yes, its typical for a party to terminate its participation in a joint defense agreement when that party cuts a deal. But unless the prosecution makes doing so a condition of the deal, there is no legal requirement that the joint defense agreement be terminated. As described in the Times article:

"Defense lawyers involved in investigations with multiple witnesses often form such alliances so they can share information without running afoul of attorney-client privilege rules. But when one defendant decides to cooperate with the government in a plea deal, that defense lawyer typically pulls out rather than antagonize the prosecutors who can influence the client’s sentence. For instance, a lawyer for the president’s former national security adviser Michael T. Flynn withdrew last year from such an agreement with Mr. Trump’s lawyers before pleading guilty to a felony offense and agreeing to help the special counsel.

"Mr. Manafort’s lawyers, on the other hand, maintained their joint defense agreement with the president’s legal team even after Mr. Manafort pleaded guilty to two conspiracy counts in September and began answering questions in at least a dozen sessions with the special counsel.

"Even if the pact was mostly informal at that point, law enforcement experts said it was still highly unusual for Mr. Manafort’s lawyers to keep up such contacts once their client had pledged to help the prosecutors in hope of a lighter punishment for his crimes."

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Lock them all up!... HipChick Nov 2018 #1
The teflon Don will rise again. redstatebluegirl Nov 2018 #2
There is absolutely no need to wave the white flag. Strong case. Give it time. No surrenduring. LBM20 Nov 2018 #12
Steel wool defeats teflon. n/t Harker Nov 2018 #65
Yeah, teflon scratches True Blue American Nov 2018 #68
Yep. Harker Nov 2018 #75
it doesn't help Larrybanal Nov 2018 #70
The fbi knows they have a joint defense agreement unblock Nov 2018 #3
When you agree to cooperate with an investigation and plead guilty berni_mccoy Nov 2018 #4
Ah, thanks! unblock Nov 2018 #5
Really? Care to share the joint defense agreement? onenote Nov 2018 #8
A former AG pointed out that current AG's LiberalFighter Nov 2018 #56
I think they can legally still discuss things with each other Jarqui Nov 2018 #10
Nope. onenote Nov 2018 #21
The lawyers on Lawrence beg to differ with you. cilla4progress Nov 2018 #36
Typically a party will withdraw from a JDA after reaching a plea deal onenote Nov 2018 #39
Yes, implied. cilla4progress Nov 2018 #42
There is also this potential problem with the conduct Jarqui Nov 2018 #49
John Dean and Cong. Adam Schiff choie Nov 2018 #50
I believe that someone pointed out the possibility they have violated legal ethics LiberalFighter Nov 2018 #57
This is why I ask True Blue American Nov 2018 #69
Former federal prosecutor Renatto Mariotto does not agree with you: Jarqui Nov 2018 #47
Renatto is a "he" AFAIK nt Grasswire2 Nov 2018 #60
How can you enter into a plea arrangement with Special Counsel and think you can lancelyons Nov 2018 #77
Can Manaforts attorney be disbarred? Can Trumps attorneys be disbarred? lancelyons Nov 2018 #78
It's all speculation, of course, until it's not. Magoo48 Nov 2018 #89
Oh crap, is it too soon for "Yipeeeeeee"? libdem4life Nov 2018 #6
NO LIE, life!! I'm reading all these tweets about this, and some people say GAME OVER and Leghorn21 Nov 2018 #7
Is that why Guiliani has gone quiet? Renew Deal Nov 2018 #9
Haha Guiliani quiet...now that's an oxymoron, if ever there was one. nt libdem4life Nov 2018 #11
"I have nothing to say, except...9/11! 9/11!!! 9/11!!!!!" regnaD kciN Nov 2018 #29
Giuliani cilla4progress Nov 2018 #38
America's Mayor...what can you say? libdem4life Nov 2018 #44
The NY Times article says no laws were violated onenote Nov 2018 #13
According to ? itsrobert Nov 2018 #14
The source for the NYT in this story is Rudy Giuliani berni_mccoy Nov 2018 #15
But the statement was made by itsrobert Nov 2018 #19
I agree. Legal analysts on MSNBC are all saying its a violation berni_mccoy Nov 2018 #20
A violation of what? onenote Nov 2018 #22
Lying to Federal Investigators and Obstructing Justice berni_mccoy Nov 2018 #25
The lawyers talking to each other isn't lying to prosecutors or obstruction of justice onenote Nov 2018 #33
Wine-Banks did say cilla4progress Nov 2018 #40
Exactly. onenote Nov 2018 #43
Something is wrong with that. triron Nov 2018 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author denbot Nov 2018 #63
Laurence Tribe would disagree with you berni_mccoy Nov 2018 #72
And Michael Schmidt gets his facts wrong. n/t Eyeball_Kid Nov 2018 #58
I think it goes like this. I could be wrong GusBob Nov 2018 #18
I agree mchill Nov 2018 #28
The old "give them enough rope to hang themselves" ploy GusBob Nov 2018 #32
That will be a fun document IF mchill Nov 2018 #37
Trump must be fuming right now DENVERPOPS Nov 2018 #62
Does anyone here remember . . . Roadside Attraction Nov 2018 #35
Pepperidge Farms qazplm135 Nov 2018 #81
This message was self-deleted by its author AZ Jim Nov 2018 #83
That's what I'm thinking. TNLib Nov 2018 #88
I'm betting/hoping that the written questions Trump answered included some sort of "trap street" fishwax Nov 2018 #16
I think you are volstork Nov 2018 #17
I don't Think there is any coincidence here mchill Nov 2018 #31
The questions were sent to Trump long before Manafort flipped Jersey Devil Nov 2018 #51
ah, I was not aware of that fishwax Nov 2018 #82
Trump has done very well in protecting himself Stinky The Clown Nov 2018 #23
Agree. This is insane though. triron Nov 2018 #27
Wow! mcar Nov 2018 #24
Maybe he will get away with it. Certainly seems that way to me. triron Nov 2018 #26
The lawyers will get away with it. Manfort will not (nt) Jersey Devil Nov 2018 #54
OK triron Nov 2018 #59
Wonder if Whitaker was involved somehow? bluestarone Nov 2018 #30
You can bet on it. triron Nov 2018 #41
Until trump gets on helicopter for last time, I consider this Fitzmas2. Enough bombshells. Hoyt Nov 2018 #34
I'll bet the Trump answers were coordinated to concur with Manafort's lies. Kablooie Nov 2018 #46
And to top it off, the damning information will be in the court record for public scrutiny pecosbob Nov 2018 #48
The GOP Senate doesn't give even one shit about how many laws Trump breaks world wide wally Nov 2018 #52
IMO this might be significant, but the Assange-Manafort meeting is more significant. D23MIURG23 Nov 2018 #53
Hate to say it, but Mr.Bill Nov 2018 #55
+1, I think Red Don's pimp knew this and that's OK with them. They'll lose the mid term battle to... uponit7771 Nov 2018 #64
Lock them up! malaise Nov 2018 #61
Since Manafort's lawyers told Trump's lawyers what was asked & answered, I guess we now know why OnDoutside Nov 2018 #66
That would be so sweet Jersey Devil Nov 2018 #71
Not officially ... GeorgeGist Nov 2018 #67
K&R UCmeNdc Nov 2018 #73
There seems to be some confusion neohippie Nov 2018 #74
Thats a good analysis but will it make a difference. lancelyons Nov 2018 #80
So is Trump going to order Whitaker to shut its all down? C_U_L8R Nov 2018 #76
Can Manaforts attorney be disbarred? Can Trumps attorneys be disbarred? lancelyons Nov 2018 #79
not... handmade34 Nov 2018 #84
If Trump were to pardon Manafort after Friday's sentencing, could he leave the country immediately, OnDoutside Nov 2018 #85
Yeah, I keep reading these Trump. Is. Fucked. predictions. Paladin Nov 2018 #86
I guess some need to read these kinds of sensationalist headlines LiberalLovinLug Nov 2018 #87
LOCK THEM UP bdamomma Nov 2018 #90
Trump is not fucked until he is fucked. elocs Nov 2018 #91
Because people want clicks, views, and reccs NOW, not later dammit. nt MadDAsHell Nov 2018 #93
Well, people are shallow. n/t elocs Nov 2018 #94
K&R Scurrilous Nov 2018 #92
tRump is in the process of shutting this whole Russia thing down sellitman Nov 2018 #95
Trump isn't fucked. Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #96
Not surprising Apollyonus Nov 2018 #97
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