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H2O Man

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Sat Dec 1, 2018, 12:07 AM Dec 2018

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“Just ask the axis, he knows everything”
Jimi Hendrix; Bold as Love.


I was surprised yesterday by the Mueller court action involving Michael Cohen. Caught totally off-guard. In fact, I was writing an essay for this forum on a different topic, when the first reports were being carried by CNN and MSNBC. Within minutes, I knew the bit I was working on could wait – I'd write something on Cohen's plea instead. But as more news came in, I recognized that it would take at least a day to seriously consider the full implications.

A day and a half later, I realize that I am still only able to scratch the surface. The more I think about it, the more blown away I am. And it's not just because of the mainstream media reporting ….one of the finest reviews of what this means comes from DU's kentuck. Now, this comes as no surprise, because this forum still has many insightful members who had, years ago, provided similarly high-quality insights on the Plame scandal. Here is a link to kentuck's OP:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11491811

This is outstanding, because kentuck recognizes that Mr. Mueller provided information that serves as the axis for understanding virtually all of the connected parts of what is the largest and most dangerous scandal in our nation's history. Literally everything revolves around this axis, thus making it far more important than a single guilty plea by Cohen.

As tempted to address how it connects to everything else – a topic already covered in detail in David Corn and Michael Isikoff's outstanding book, “Russian Roulette” – I'll focus on two important, related issues. The first has to do with Matthew Whitaker. Recently, when Trump tweeted about Mueller's team yelling at people, a couple people concluded this information came from Whitaker. At the time, I noted that it had come from Jerome Corsi and/or his legal team.

It's not that Whitaker wouldn't report to Trump and his legal team – he would. But he couldn't have had access to this type of information. Likewise, contrary to some folk's fears, he doesn't have copies of the investigators' records to copy and share. It is important to understand how the Justice Department works. More, even as Mr. Rosenstein's supervisor, the attention that Whitaker's appointment has gotten has greatly reduced the chances of him interfering by attempting to limit the case. Things have gone too far. All Whitaker can do without a massive negative reaction is to relay what he hears to Trump.

Now, let's examine the implications of what Mr. Mueller spread upon the table yesterday. And let's do so, by considering what one of my favorite Watergate prosecutors, Jill Wine-Banks, says is important. She spoke briefly about part of this last night on MSNBC, and it is worth serious attention. It has to do with the Articles of Impeachment that were being prepared when Nixon resigned.

I realize that some good people do not believe the republican Senate would find against Trump if the House impeached him. It seems worth keeping an open mind as the process unfolds. Republicans on the Intelligence Committee have shown more interest in this scandal than those on the House committee. And things will be different by March, and very different by June, in ways that are devastating to Trump.

This entire document is worth reading. I want to focus on three of the sections of Article One: parts 3,4, and eight. These have to do with trying to influence witnesses, abuse of information from the Department of Justice, and lying to the public. That third one is important: lying to the public is not a crime, but lying about misdeeds is an impeachable offense.

http://watergate.info/impeachment/articles-of-impeachment


Trump's attempt to build in Moscow may or may not have been a crime. But it did involve national security. And that's what Mr. Mueller's investigation has been about – potential crimes and national security. Yesterday's events uncovered the axis.

Peace,
H2O Man

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Individual 1 [View all] H2O Man Dec 2018 OP
Excellent and well cross ref'ed. Thanks! JDC Dec 2018 #1
Thank you. H2O Man Dec 2018 #12
another articulate thought-provoking post H20 Man..... chillfactor Dec 2018 #2
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2018 #13
Every now and then it is really helpful to connect ALL the dots Haggis for Breakfast Dec 2018 #3
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2018 #15
Excellent. It just takes enough trump supporters to turn on him. He's clearly a security risk, and Hoyt Dec 2018 #4
My younger son H2O Man Dec 2018 #17
Do you suppose the news of the Deutsche Bank being raided ProudLib72 Dec 2018 #5
Good question. H2O Man Dec 2018 #18
Can you elaborate on this? coeur_de_lion Dec 2018 #6
It relates to H2O Man Dec 2018 #19
Good analogy I like it. Wearing down his opponent. coeur_de_lion Dec 2018 #21
I think that, H2O Man Dec 2018 #22
Thank you for your observations. murielm99 Dec 2018 #7
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2018 #20
K&R, like automatic by now. yonder Dec 2018 #8
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2018 #23
I trust you saw Joyce Vance's comment... Hekate Dec 2018 #9
I had not H2O Man Dec 2018 #24
Forgot to add: Bookmarked Hekate Dec 2018 #10
This is why I love DU! lunatica Dec 2018 #11
Ditto malaise Dec 2018 #14
Thanks! H2O Man Dec 2018 #26
I am enjoying everything malaise Dec 2018 #28
Right! H2O Man Dec 2018 #29
Sadly he thought he could declare himself emperor of the world after malaise Dec 2018 #30
Well, thank you! H2O Man Dec 2018 #25
Acting AG Whitaker was briefed by Mueller's team in advance of the plea. Calista241 Dec 2018 #16
Right. H2O Man Dec 2018 #27
NPR has changed their reporting on Jr. Calista241 Dec 2018 #31
KR Me. Dec 2018 #32
K&R. Excellent analysis, as usual. Interesting times. n/t ms liberty Dec 2018 #33
Now THAT is some high quality H2O... blugbox Dec 2018 #34
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