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201. It's also magical to believe a stranger has candy in his pocket

Reply to IcyPeas (Reply #113)

Sun Dec 2, 2018, 11:39 AM

Dec 2018

Lying to children is not a good idea.

Make-believe and imagination are different from deceiving them.

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New Jersey teacher tells first-graders there is no Santa [View all] Demovictory9 Nov 2018 OP

She should be fired immediately, how dare she? dewsgirl Nov 2018 #1

Really? Codeine Nov 2018 #71

sorry but I am a sub teacher in NM.. chillfactor Nov 2018 #76

Taking away a person's livelihood over a fairy tale Codeine Nov 2018 #77

It's almost as bad as the pretense that nation-states actually exist outside of our imaginations. LanternWaste Dec 2018 #165

But it's a fairy tale the vast majority of kids believe until they are a little older Polybius Dec 2018 #174

Huh, so at what age is it acceptable for teachers to stop lying to students? Coventina Nov 2018 #79

Should teachers tell students, even young ones, that there is no God? trixie2 Dec 2018 #97

I would be A-OK with it! Coventina Dec 2018 #98

While I agree with you trixie2 Dec 2018 #107

I don't disagree with you. But I also think teachers should tell the truth. Coventina Dec 2018 #110

You're OK with violating the constitution? Strong democratic values you have there. John Fante Dec 2018 #117

Telling the truth in the classroom is violating the Constitution? Coventina Dec 2018 #119

With regards to government employees telling John Fante Dec 2018 #124

How, pray tell, does it violate the Constitution? Coventina Dec 2018 #125

My science teachers never brought up religion or God John Fante Dec 2018 #128

Did you go to a religious school? Coventina Dec 2018 #133

My teacher taught us the same. He didn't finish his lesson John Fante Dec 2018 #135

I guess I was enough of a critical thinker to realize it did. n/t Coventina Dec 2018 #136

I took loads of science classes in HS and college. Crunchy Frog Dec 2018 #189

lol stonecutter357 Dec 2018 #154

parents are the primary d_r Dec 2018 #156

Not disputing that. But once a child goes to school, facts are facts. n/t Coventina Dec 2018 #161

this isn't big brother communist world d_r Dec 2018 #170

Yes, their childhood is ruined, because they found out Santa isn't real. Coventina Dec 2018 #171

If it was my kid in that class, I'd just tell him that the sub Crunchy Frog Dec 2018 #188

Yes me too d_r Dec 2018 #194

So.....more lies to cover up the first lie? Coventina Dec 2018 #198

I wonder when the "teacher" is going to be doxxed. Crunchy Frog Dec 2018 #205

No their christmas isu d_r Dec 2018 #193

Knowing Santa isn't real ruins Christmas? Coventina Dec 2018 #199

yes, these are first graders d_r Dec 2018 #209

I'll freely admit that I didn't have a perfect childhood, Coventina Dec 2018 #210

There are children Charlotte Little Dec 2018 #211

Your right, faith doesnt belong in the classroom forthemiddle Dec 2018 #158

There is no evidence to support the existence of gods or goddesses. Coventina Dec 2018 #162

It wasn't her place. I'd be pissed as Hell if my kid was in that class. WillowTree Dec 2018 #89

But why? Codeine Dec 2018 #92

This kind of reminds me of a co-worker I once had Coventina Dec 2018 #94

Exactly! Codeine Dec 2018 #96

what utter bullshit. Inkfreak Dec 2018 #148

I agree d_r Dec 2018 #157

Yeah. The self proclaimed, refined critical thinking skills extolled in this thread kcr Dec 2018 #181

Because that was my decision, not some subtitute teacher. WillowTree Dec 2018 #99

Santa isn't a parenting decision! Codeine Dec 2018 #108

Whatever. You're too devoted to your agenda to engage in meaningful conversation. WillowTree Dec 2018 #163

Should older children Buzz cook Dec 2018 #146

Nice strawman BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #183

Not like a teacher Buzz cook Dec 2018 #219

How dare she tell children the truth? Doodley Nov 2018 #2

Hope she gets fired. nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #5

It's not her place to do that. John Fante Nov 2018 #17

Absolutely! StarryNite Nov 2018 #20

She was out of line to tell the truth? Are you kidding? Doodley Dec 2018 #213

No, she's supposed to go along with the lie. bitterross Nov 2018 #30

A teacher's place is not to direct beliefs trixie2 Dec 2018 #101

Santa Claus is not a religion. It's a lie adults tell kids. bitterross Dec 2018 #150

for those terribly handmade34 Dec 2018 #155

I think all religions are lies trixie2 Dec 2018 #207

What about facts? Isn't it a teacher's job to teach facts? Doodley Dec 2018 #214

Are you agreeing then the fact is there is no god or gods? trixie2 Dec 2018 #216

Maybe she'll tell little Timmy that Daddy and Mommy Crunchy Frog Dec 2018 #190

lol trixie2 Dec 2018 #217

Someone should lose their job, their livelihood, because they told the truth? NYC Liberal Nov 2018 #43

IKR? Teachers, how dare they tell kids things? Coventina Nov 2018 #53

this! totally agree and well said... prudence54 Nov 2018 #54

Exactly. Codeine Nov 2018 #62

Absolutely! Separation Dec 2018 #85

Good point. Codeine Dec 2018 #95

Where does one draw the line? BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #184

Knowing that a fictional character is fictional is not appropriate for a first-grader? NYC Liberal Dec 2018 #196

Ultimately it's the parent's decision on when to pull the plug on Santa BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #203

Agree. Parents manipulating children into believing supernatural stories is the issue. Doodley Dec 2018 #215

Exactly -- Not her place at all. n/t whathehell Nov 2018 #78

Telling children the truth is her actual job. Iggo Dec 2018 #103

"You had one job! How dare you do it?!" nt Codeine Dec 2018 #112

Are you kidding? It's not her place to tell the truth? Doodley Dec 2018 #212

Where does she get off Educating them! California_Republic Nov 2018 #31

I never told my kid that there was a Santa. violetpastille Nov 2018 #3

LMAO!! Codeine Dec 2018 #91

evidently telling the truth to kids is not a cedar hill school family value nt msongs Nov 2018 #4

Why discuss it at all?? How about telling them there is no God? Etc. nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #6

They should malaise Nov 2018 #7

Yet most normal teachers don't do it. nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #8

What's so extra special about Santa? violetpastille Nov 2018 #12

Or that Mikey Mouse isn't real malaise Nov 2018 #15

"Mom, my teacher said it isn't turtles all the way down!" Codeine Dec 2018 #93

Pesky little thing called the first amendment. Ms. Toad Nov 2018 #16

That's not inhibiting anything Major Nikon Nov 2018 #48

You're right-i got the prong wrong - Ms. Toad Dec 2018 #159

The sub was not following the school curiculum. LiberalFighter Nov 2018 #9

Yep, no reason to discuss santa at all. Just wanted to cause issues I assume. nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #10

There is no President, either, torius Nov 2018 #11

And THAT MyOwnPeace Nov 2018 #13

My first grade teacher did the same thing 51 years ago tnlurker Nov 2018 #14

My teacher told me there was no Santa. Beakybird Nov 2018 #18

If you've been good, then Harry will leave you gelt ProudLib72 Nov 2018 #26

Or pickled herring in cream sauce! 😋 sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #86

I tried that once ProudLib72 Dec 2018 #106

My father-in-law (Swedish) made his pickled herring every Christmas for Smorgasbord. sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #118

The only Scandavian food I'm going near is lefsa ProudLib72 Dec 2018 #122

I could inhale those also! sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #126

next, schools tell kids there's no Grinch or Wizard of Oz Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2018 #19

I was a substitute teacher in a class this year and talked about the Easter bunny. kimbutgar Nov 2018 #21

The correct move. Apparently that's too hard for some people. John Fante Nov 2018 #23

Why is that the correct move? To literally contradict a child who is right and to tell that JCanete Nov 2018 #24

I was assuming that other children were listening in on John Fante Nov 2018 #32

So lie to one student Codeine Nov 2018 #70

Careful, you're going dislocate a shoulder patting John Fante Dec 2018 #105

Someone needs a nap. nt Codeine Dec 2018 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author John Fante Dec 2018 #116

Here is the plausible Santa story. McCamy Taylor Nov 2018 #22

What is going on in NJ? When I was in 1st grade in Houston (1946), NCjack Nov 2018 #25

How do you know that? Did you poll them all? pnwmom Nov 2018 #27

I didn't have to poll anyone. The rumor mill put out the message NCjack Nov 2018 #35

It's better when kids figure out themselves pnwmom Nov 2018 #60

Anyone other than a parent who deliberately tells a little kid there's no Santa is a raging asshole. kcr Dec 2018 #182

Exactly! Crunchy Frog Dec 2018 #191

Right?! Codeine Nov 2018 #63

That's strange... radical noodle Dec 2018 #109

I guess shit was different in the 70s Codeine Dec 2018 #114

I was a mother in the 70s radical noodle Dec 2018 #131

I was the king of snoopers. Codeine Dec 2018 #138

Good job! radical noodle Dec 2018 #139

I remember a priest doing that, during a school day mass Siwsan Nov 2018 #28

I've never been in favor of lying to kids. Coventina Nov 2018 #29

Yep. I knew what Santa was and the stories Codeine Nov 2018 #74

Also want to add: outcry over ruining Santa. Teaching Creationism A-OK! Coventina Nov 2018 #33

I'm an atheist. Creationism is garbage that has no place in any school. John Fante Nov 2018 #36

Nope. If a child is in school, the truth is what matters. Coventina Nov 2018 #39

We're not talking about teaching a course on Santa Claus FFS. John Fante Nov 2018 #44

So at what point is it OK to stop lying to kids? Coventina Nov 2018 #51

There's a vast difference between Codeine Nov 2018 #69

Lol @ vast. John Fante Dec 2018 #132

I loved make-believed as a kid. Codeine Dec 2018 #141

Maybe she could also show Holocaust films? BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #186

Right, because that's exactly the same thing. *sarcasm* Coventina Dec 2018 #197

But it's truth right? BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #202

Yes, but how truth is communicated can take many different forms. Coventina Dec 2018 #204

God is the socially acceptable form of Santa for adults. Oneironaut Nov 2018 #59

The concept of "they're not your fucking kids" seems lost on people. John Fante Nov 2018 #34

Harshly put, but I agree. This is a stupid argument over a childhood fairy tale meant to be outgrown Hekate Nov 2018 #45

That's my position NewJeffCT Nov 2018 #46

This. Squinch Nov 2018 #55

Perhaps instead of railing against Codeine Nov 2018 #64

What a crock of shit. They're first graders. Make believe John Fante Dec 2018 #115

And finding out Santa isn't real Codeine Dec 2018 #121

Sure about that? You just said your kids would never believe in Santa John Fante Dec 2018 #130

Bitter and angry? Cynical? Codeine Dec 2018 #137

Agreed. Chemisse Nov 2018 #67

Yep. It's not that hard. kcr Dec 2018 #164

My older brother died of cancer when I was a child bronxiteforever Nov 2018 #37

You're right. Sometimes it's a kindness to lie. But it's wisdom to know when that is. harumph Nov 2018 #47

I never told the grandkids yes or no when they asked about Santa. blueinredohio Nov 2018 #38

What I said to my kids Rorey Dec 2018 #90

OMG will the liberal war on Christmas never end? Bradshaw3 Nov 2018 #40

So there is no Santa? brettdale Nov 2018 #41

Something similar happened in Lynchburg, VA in 1978. no_hypocrisy Nov 2018 #42

I can think of better things to be outraged over Major Nikon Nov 2018 #49

I want to know WHY she felt the need to share this TexasBushwhacker Nov 2018 #50

Maybe a kid asked Codeine Dec 2018 #88

I'm torn about this Apollyonus Nov 2018 #52

An honest question; Codeine Dec 2018 #127

Oh... Snackshack Nov 2018 #56

My personal feelings on this subject. Doreen Nov 2018 #57

It's magical.. IcyPeas Dec 2018 #113

Magical is a good way to describe it. Doreen Dec 2018 #123

lying: telling of false statements with the intent to deceive Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #176

It's also magical to believe a stranger has candy in his pocket jberryhill Dec 2018 #201

We told our children from the get-go that Santa was not real Cairycat Nov 2018 #58

We never tried to pass it off as real to our kids either. Codeine Dec 2018 #84

WTF is going on that first graders still believe Codeine Nov 2018 #61

A friend of mine tried explaining the concept of Santa to her children... cynatnite Nov 2018 #65

lol. Some parents feel very strongly about Santa. They want the "magic of Christmas" Demovictory9 Dec 2018 #166

Yeah, they do. Iggo Dec 2018 #167

A friend of mine was a school bus driver for elementary school kids - milestogo Nov 2018 #66

It's an asshole move, regardless of truth vs make believe JDC Nov 2018 #68

Yes. That's why I think less of a few DUers after reading this thread. kcr Dec 2018 #179

My two sons are four and a half years apart in age. PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2018 #72

None of those kids really believed in that crap anyway. Codeine Nov 2018 #73

bullshit quit lying to the kids gopiscrap Nov 2018 #75

+1 violetpastille Nov 2018 #82

I like that gopiscrap Nov 2018 #83

sorry you never got a what you wanted. Inkfreak Dec 2018 #149

This is why we have dump Meowmee Nov 2018 #80

His next trick is telling the kids there is no God. Liberal In Texas Nov 2018 #81

First grade ? Asshole ! lunasun Dec 2018 #87

What if he told them that Hansel and Gretel Codeine Dec 2018 #100

Strawman. Crunchy Frog Dec 2018 #192

It's stupid stunts like this that are among the things that lead people to home school their kids. WillowTree Dec 2018 #102

Wow! People want to keep their kids home in order to protect them from the truth? Coventina Dec 2018 #104

Wait. Wait just a minute. Codeine Dec 2018 #120

I didn't say that. WillowTree Dec 2018 #140

This is why the NY Post is amplifying this story oberliner Dec 2018 #152

What a miserable piece of trash. EllieBC Dec 2018 #129

Oh good lord. Codeine Dec 2018 #142

I have told my kid EllieBC Dec 2018 #147

Some little kids are trying to figure out what's what womanofthehills Dec 2018 #134

Your granddaughter is going to be a badass. Codeine Dec 2018 #144

Someone needs to sue on the grounds of defacto7 Dec 2018 #143

Marley vs. Scrooge set a clear precedent. nt Codeine Dec 2018 #145

The NY Post is a RW tabloid which emphasizes stories that attempt to make liberals look bad oberliner Dec 2018 #151

Yes Virginia there is a Santa Claus. redwitch Dec 2018 #153

Exactly! StarryNite Dec 2018 #173

Well, that should warm them up for the later discussion of Creationism. eppur_se_muova Dec 2018 #160

So, telling the 6 & 7 year olds there is no Santa elocs Dec 2018 #168

I think what the substitute teacher did was wrong. Captain Stern Dec 2018 #169

It's pretty heartless of her to take it for herself to tell those kids something like this book_worm Dec 2018 #172

I agree 100% frogmarch Dec 2018 #175

Exactly, book_worm. Cha Dec 2018 #178

From my perspective as a parent and Cha Dec 2018 #177

That us just how I feel. nt leftyladyfrommo Dec 2018 #206

+1. Mean and stupid, but not a firing offense dalton99a Dec 2018 #218

Post removed Post removed Dec 2018 #180

Lots of outrage over a Murdoch paper story Cattledog Dec 2018 #185

It's actually all over the news. Crunchy Frog Dec 2018 #195

Thanks for that, Crunchy Cha Dec 2018 #208

Why wasn't she fired? n/t Crunchy Frog Dec 2018 #187

Yeesh ColoradoBlue Dec 2018 #200