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anobserver2

(923 posts)
64. Thanks again to all those who recommended my opinion piece here
Mon Dec 3, 2018, 08:58 PM
Dec 2018

I just wanted to again thank all those who recommended this thread.

And I have to say: I was quite surprised by certain comments on this thread,
which I found rather out of bounds.

I wrote an opinion piece. It is one person's opinion.

That's all it is.

When Maureen Down of the NYT writes a column praising a father and son political duo of
their academic "achievement" -- of completing 4-year college degrees in only "2-1/2" years.
and I take the opposing view -- that they did not complete anything; rather, the short length
of time indicates they dropped out -- then I am expressing my opinion. My opinion is different
than hers. That's it. You can agree or disagree.

Why the level of vicious meanness on this thread, I do not know. If you disagree with me,
and you agree with Maureen Dowd, well, good for you. It does not upset me. I do not scream
at you for your "source."

My "source" is common sense. When someone goes around saying he or she graduated
in only "2-1/2" years from an "accelerated" degree program that for various reasons
I do not believe exists, well, then, it seems to me a bit obvious there is something wrong with that picture.

And, wow - that means: In my opinion, a politician lied. Well - wowee kazowee. Now THERE's a first, huh,
that a politician, of all people, may have told a lie. Who would have ever guessed THAT could happen!

I notice there's not a lot of trust in government in recent years:

1. Trust in government: 1958-2015 | Pew Research Center
The public's trust in the federal government continues to be at historically low levels. Only 19% of Americans today say they can trust the government in Washington to do what is right "just about always" (3%) or "most of the time" (16%).
[Search domain www.people-press.org/2015/11/23/1-trust-in-government-1958-2015/] www.people-press.org/2015/11/23/1-trust-in-government-1958-2015/

Survey: American public's trust in government near historic low
This is the longest period of low trust in the government since different groups started asking the question since 1958. Other times of low trust in government came during Bill Clinton's ...
[Search domain www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/05/03...] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/05/03...

The Long Decline of Trust in Government, and Why That Can Be ...
Trust in government has steadily deteriorated over the past several decades and continues to do so. Questioning the aims and efforts of government is a foundation of American citizenship. It's ...
[Search domain www.nytimes.com/2015/07/04/upshot/the-long-decline-of-tru...] https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/04/upshot/the-long-decline-of-tru...

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But here on this DU thread, some people are jumping all over me because I guess they just
don't believe it is ever possible for any politician to ever lie. OK, fine with me. I am not
jumping all over you. Believe what you want, just as others believe what they want,
and just as I believe what I want. That's OK. That's why there are discussion forums like
this one.

I thought this an interesting article: "Why Politicians Lie" from the Washington Post.
One reason given: "II. Lying to Exploit Public Ignorance."

It seems to me that's what happens when politicians lie about college degrees. Many people
in the public are ignorant. They may well think it entirely possible to get a 2-1/2 year economics
degree - (from a program that does not exist). Whatever.

I was telling someone I learned from my experience here. As a voter, I see a pattern:
wealthy people can say whatever, get the media to publish it, and that is their world.
It's a different world for them.

My world, here in the peanut gallery, does not have time to see or source or analyze everything. But once in awhile
some topic, like resume fraud, or resume padding as it's sometimes called, which has become a topic
for researchers, does catch my eye.

And in this instance, with GH Bush (again, condolences to those mourning him), I think there is much
we do not know about him.

But in my little opinion piece, I expressed my opinion. I think he was a fraud. And I think someday history
may examine the matter further, and we will know more for the record.

Again, thanks to those who recommended my opinion piece.

And, again, condolences to those who mourn his passing.

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Thank you DU anobserver2 Dec 2018 #1
And that only touches the many scandals of that family mithnanthy Dec 2018 #4
Neil Bush's Banking Crimes Have Been Swept Under the Rug dlk Dec 2018 #30
Am frankly getting of these posts. secondwind Dec 2018 #5
I know! Even the MSM has moved on! nt UniteFightBack Dec 2018 #23
Freeedom of Thought anobserver2 Dec 2018 #65
Here are links I will add when I have more time anobserver2 Dec 2018 #66
Source for this? Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2018 #2
Yes, I'd be interested in the source for this, as well. MousePlayingDaffodil Dec 2018 #3
And people will believe it because someone made it an op. Tipperary Dec 2018 #6
Very. nt Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2018 #8
There is none Docreed2003 Dec 2018 #12
Of course it is... Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2018 #18
The OP is also extremely sexist obamanut2012 Dec 2018 #24
Indeed. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2018 #29
Reminds me of the kooky "where was he the day JFK got shot" posts. BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #50
Couldn't have said it better myself Docreed2003 Dec 2018 #51
THere is none p-- it's false obamanut2012 Dec 2018 #22
... shanny Dec 2018 #76
Thanks; I corrected it anobserver2 Dec 2018 #78
Well, here's another piece of info for someone to research. Baitball Blogger Dec 2018 #7
Sounds like research you could do on your own. stopbush Dec 2018 #9
Because google is my best source, Baitball Blogger Dec 2018 #10
OR...your dad was being creative. stopbush Dec 2018 #11
It's not even a CT. Baitball Blogger Dec 2018 #13
The question is: what rumors are worthy of pursuit? stopbush Dec 2018 #15
There you go. Nothing is gained if you don't ask the question. Baitball Blogger Dec 2018 #16
I hated that Columbo "one more thing" schtick. stopbush Dec 2018 #17
Proving that different biographers can describe totally different people. McCamy Taylor Dec 2018 #14
"spoiled his kids"? shanny Dec 2018 #77
Im surprised that the CIA missed the Yale fraud fescuerescue Dec 2018 #19
Because it isn't true n/t obamanut2012 Dec 2018 #25
Well ;) fescuerescue Dec 2018 #26
Sorry! obamanut2012 Dec 2018 #36
Maybe you do not really know how a CIA Director is hired anobserver2 Dec 2018 #69
no thats not it. fescuerescue Dec 2018 #70
Well, 3 points I would say you should perhaps consider anobserver2 Dec 2018 #71
The 3rd point - practical matters: Hard to "un-do" what an elected official has done anobserver2 Dec 2018 #73
Transparency in elections - more can be done anobserver2 Dec 2018 #74
From July 2015: "Exclusive: Why Doesn't Jeb Want to Talk About Lehman Bros?" anobserver2 Dec 2018 #79
From the Daily Beast: "Jeb Bush's Big Lehman Brothers Problem" anobserver2 Dec 2018 #80
About " legacy " admissions to private universities in the US anobserver2 Dec 2018 #83
Economics of Education Review: The impact of legacy status ... anobserver2 Dec 2018 #84
Re Senate anobserver2 Dec 2018 #86
Read this chapter in the book "Conning Harvard" by Julie Zauzmer anobserver2 Dec 2018 #87
Another good read: Carl Bernstein's 1977 Rolling Stone article on CIA and the Media and Senate anobserver2 Dec 2018 #88
Motive: Can't go into the private sector and risk being exposed; so - cash in at the public sector anobserver2 Dec 2018 #89
A Dec 2015 DU thread on Jeb Bush and his college career - and how media reports it anobserver2 Dec 2018 #90
See what is happening now with this ACLU lawsuit against CIA anobserver2 Dec 2018 #91
Maybe it is considered "free speech" by the CIA anobserver2 Jan 2019 #92
Journalists should help educate voters, too anobserver2 Jan 2019 #93
In fact, journalists should also quote FERPA federal law when reporting politicians' alleged degrees anobserver2 Jan 2019 #95
From the National Ethics Association anobserver2 Jan 2019 #96
What happened to me anobserver2 Jan 2019 #94
I'd like to see the Supreme Court discuss other questions, too, since: elections have consequences anobserver2 Jan 2019 #97
I will remember him most for denying that atheists are deserving of American citizenship Goodheart Dec 2018 #20
"... a girl's college, Smith..." obamanut2012 Dec 2018 #21
I changed it to "women's" anobserver2 Dec 2018 #27
You should delete this OP. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2018 #32
this op is ridiculous obamanut2012 Dec 2018 #35
Three things obamanut2012 Dec 2018 #33
Yes. Tipperary Dec 2018 #40
You should delete this. tammywammy Dec 2018 #39
You have to address the specific degree program - economics anobserver2 Dec 2018 #42
And yet you have absolutely no proof. tammywammy Dec 2018 #48
Any determined student can get a BA in 3 years. hexola Dec 2018 #67
Thank you! ellie Dec 2018 #28
It's not true. The OP is full of it... nt Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2018 #31
the OP is not true obamanut2012 Dec 2018 #34
Recommended. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #37
You're recommending an OP that is patently false? Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2018 #56
Feel free to refute it. eom guillaumeb Dec 2018 #58
Here's my refutation. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2018 #59
The first sentence: guillaumeb Dec 2018 #60
Added WAY after he made the OP. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2018 #61
What's the proof of your assertion rusty fender Dec 2018 #38
I think he did not. Tipperary Dec 2018 #41
What's the proof of your assertion anobserver2 Dec 2018 #43
You made the claim. It's up to you to prove that Bush didn't graduate. Kaleva Dec 2018 #45
Ever hear of analysis or opinion? anobserver2 Dec 2018 #46
Which economists did you talk to? How do we know they are "real"? Kaleva Dec 2018 #47
Sources? Alsteen Dec 2018 #54
How about giving the names of these real people you claim to have interviewed. WillowTree Dec 2018 #62
I never asserted that he graduated rusty fender Dec 2018 #53
Thank you to all those who recommended my opinion piece here anobserver2 Dec 2018 #44
Your self aggrandizement is appalling. stopbush Dec 2018 #52
You ARE the lies. Delete your OP. nt Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2018 #55
This has really damaged your credibility with a lot of DUers. Just read the read the responses. WillowTree Dec 2018 #63
Reads like an unsourced crockpot full of hooey to me BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #49
This is made up disinformation Raine Dec 2018 #57
Thanks again to all those who recommended my opinion piece here anobserver2 Dec 2018 #64
This is not an opinion piece! hexola Dec 2018 #68
Welcome to ignore Blecht Dec 2018 #72
lol, my favorite part of this thread is OP's "woe is me" shtick. tritsofme Dec 2018 #75
Yale says he graduated in 1948. former9thward Dec 2018 #81
From The Journal of Business Ethics 2004: "Small lies, big trouble..." anobserver2 Dec 2018 #82
This all reminds me of "The Emperor's New Clothes" by Hans Christian Andersen anobserver2 Dec 2018 #85
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