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Garrett78

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110. I think people have this notion that Biden would just sail through the process as Obama's pal or...

Thu Dec 6, 2018, 02:51 AM

Dec 2018

...lovable Uncle Joe. When, in fact, his history with the Thomas-Hill hearing would become a big issue in this Me Too era. His ties to the financial industry would become a big issue. His penchant for gaffes would become an issue. His previous failures (plural) to win the nomination would not go unnoticed. His age (he'll be the age Reagan was when Reagan *left* office) is a factor.

There is this notion, though few Biden proponents would admit this, that our nominee must be a white male in order to win back MI, WI and PA. That we must appeal to Trump voters or so-called "independents" (even though studies show "independents" to be highly partisan - i.e., not independent - and unreliable voters).

Instead, we should recognize the moment we're in (Me Too and Black Lives Matter), and recognize the significance of the diversity (and youthfulness) of our electorate as well as that of the incoming class of Democratic members of Congress.

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Joe Biden might be our best bet for President in 2020! [View all] busterbrown Dec 2018 OP

We need to win, we need to leave the tests at the door. He needs to choose a young running mate and redstatebluegirl Dec 2018 #1

Agreed; I'm thinking Steyer /nt LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #72

and the options for VP are LIMITLESS! elleng Dec 2018 #2

I'm leaning toward Biden-Klobuchar at the moment. WheelWalker Dec 2018 #107

Starting to think about her. elleng Dec 2018 #108

He contrasts poorly with Trump Renew Deal Dec 2018 #3

That's for damn sure. trotsky Dec 2018 #7

Horrible? The most qualified candidate in recent memory would be horrible? InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #31

The most qualified candidate in recent memory jcgoldie Dec 2018 #90

The anti-Clinton, pro-Biden people are pretty transparent in their sexism. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #95

Sorry, but 8 years as V.P. in one of the most successful administrations in history InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #106

Yes. NT enough Dec 2018 #14

Right, he's not a congenital liar! elleng Dec 2018 #16

He doesn't have a perfect history on one the the items you mentioned... Renew Deal Dec 2018 #22

Does he have truth issues? xor Dec 2018 #54

There was an issue in his 1988 campaign Renew Deal Dec 2018 #58

I saw that mentioned below. I'll have to look that up when I get a chance. xor Dec 2018 #59

I don't think it's a big issue now Renew Deal Dec 2018 #61

Joe is a great candidate. He helped Pres. Obama win a second term...it was dicey for a while. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #39

Charismatic candidates NewJeffCT Dec 2018 #4

Each of his past three presidential runs were disasters. comradebillyboy Dec 2018 #5

And I don't expect this one to go much better Renew Deal Dec 2018 #9

I personally would work my tail off for Joe Sugarcoated Dec 2018 #6

Articulate, Takes no NONSENSE, CRITICAL assets this time. elleng Dec 2018 #8

Joe Biden "articulate" PDittie Dec 2018 #112

A nearly 80-year-old man should not be our standard bearer. BlueStater Dec 2018 #10

I remember when mercuryblues Dec 2018 #35

5 years younger. John Fante Dec 2018 #103

oops. mercuryblues Dec 2018 #111

We need someone with experience in the structure of government who is able to put it back together. NBachers Dec 2018 #11

YES! elleng Dec 2018 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Dec 2018 #12

A huge portion of the voting population barely knows who Jack Kennedy was. nt enough Dec 2018 #17

You'd have to be at least 60 to even have a memory of him at this point. BlueStater Dec 2018 #52

YES! elleng Dec 2018 #19

Not going to slam you because . . . peggysue2 Dec 2018 #13

YES! 'a scrappy fighter and he has more experience & knowledge' elleng Dec 2018 #20

You read my mind! Dave in VA Dec 2018 #30

If he's the Dem candidate in the General, he's got my vote. Iggo Dec 2018 #15

I'm in. oasis Dec 2018 #21

Biden the presidential candidate isn't the same as lovable Uncle Joe. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #23

What baggage? Certainly no worse than past candidates... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #33

1 thing that stands out in the Me Too era is his history with the Thomas-Hill hearing. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #38

Yes, but what distinguishes Biden from Clinton is his two terms as V.P. ... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #44

In fact, that's the only reason he's even being considered by some to be a front-runner. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #45

Obama was the prime mover, but, you can't say Biden wasn't a contributor to those victories. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #47

I think Obama would have won with any number of running mates. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #48

"it's laughable that anti-Clinton people are supportive of Biden" betsuni Dec 2018 #67

Let's just call it what it is, sexism. Plain and simple. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #70

Bankruptcy bill, Crime bill, in addition to Hill fiasco are more reasons he is a flawed Nanjeanne Dec 2018 #49

"I like Joe. But not as a candidate." That could be the title of a Joe Biden biography. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #56

I like Joe but there are others that I like much better. spicysista Dec 2018 #24

Joe / Beto 2020 California_Republic Dec 2018 #25

Post removed Post removed Dec 2018 #26

Handsy? What do you mean by that? Kingofalldems Dec 2018 #53

go to youtube and search hasdsy joe biden - warning right wing videos - nt kelly1mm Dec 2018 #74

Did it. Kingofalldems Dec 2018 #94

Like Joe But No colsohlibgal Dec 2018 #27

Joe for me, too. LakeArenal Dec 2018 #28

He has already ran twice n/t blue cat Dec 2018 #29

Joe's having already run twice and lost is something to consider... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #36

It doesn't hurt him to have been Obama's VP, but while i like him, I have no idea what about JCanete Dec 2018 #32

Fair point... taking a centrist political view will not work this time... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #40

Biden is a good man, relatable and with a history that would suggest he could gather the karynnj Dec 2018 #34

There's a lot of truth in what you're saying... especially given the future that's at stake. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #82

I really want someone young and charismatic marylandblue Dec 2018 #37

No, I think it has to be either Sherrod Brown or Joe Biden. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #41

I like Sherrod Brown marylandblue Dec 2018 #51

The momentum we have is with women. delisen Dec 2018 #42

It would be foolish to not nominate or at least have, as VP, a woman. It's past time. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #46

Yes! If we don't do it, the Rethugs will be known forever as the first party pnwmom Dec 2018 #62

And before the inevitable posts about how gender and race don't matter... Garrett78 Dec 2018 #63

Great article. Thanks for sharing! pnwmom Dec 2018 #65

I started a thread featuring that article, and I've posted it within threads before. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #69

Maybe try posting it again, with a different title? pnwmom Dec 2018 #75

This was my last attempt: Garrett78 Dec 2018 #77

They can all fight it out in the debates, and the winner, as declared by me, will have my vote. earthshine Dec 2018 #43

That's how I feel. Chemisse Dec 2018 #81

Well said! earthshine Dec 2018 #98

He was our best bet in 2016 also but the party doesn't want the safe bet... cbdo2007 Dec 2018 #50

:thumbsup: elleng Dec 2018 #66

+1 /nt LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #73

I don't see history repeating itself... it's gonna be a wide open race in 2020 and, no doubt InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #80

No Auggie Dec 2018 #55

JOE? HECK YEA onetexan Dec 2018 #57

Millions of women who remember his failure of Anita Hill will disagree. pnwmom Dec 2018 #60

Agreed. See the series of posts starting with #23. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #64

Not to mention that he recently asserted that if HE'D been the 2016 nominee, instead of Hillary... LisaM Dec 2018 #76

Agreed. And while few will admit it... Garrett78 Dec 2018 #92

It hasn't slipped my mind, either.... LisaM Dec 2018 #99

Will be savaged by media watching for gaffes they can blow up into scandal bobbieinok Dec 2018 #68

The gaffe thing! betsuni Dec 2018 #71

Satire aside, he does have a penchant for gaffes. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #79

Most are fairly minor and part of his charm... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #85

Dems taking new approach to debates, so may result in improvements: elleng Dec 2018 #78

I think Joe Biden's time to run for president has passed him by. elocs Dec 2018 #83

Still too early to speculate. We've got everybody who's interested out their feeling the water. YOHABLO Dec 2018 #84

The US will need a foreign policy wonk Turbineguy Dec 2018 #86

While I think Biden a good choice, consider that a president with the humility to karynnj Dec 2018 #87

Joe is great but I disagree. The last 3 democratic presidents were nearly unknown Persondem Dec 2018 #88

And the last 5 Democratic presidents averaged 48.6 years of age upon taking office. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #89

That's not a good pick Awsi Dooger Dec 2018 #91

And the anti-Clinton people who love Joe Biden rather crack me up. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #93

Hard pass PDittie Dec 2018 #96

No. No, no, no, no, no. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2018 #97

Here is the criteria for "best candidate" only 1 qualification: "Whoever has the best chance to win. Stuart G Dec 2018 #100

I'm Afraid Biden Won't Ever Be President-Remember Anita Hill dlk Dec 2018 #101

This. Squinch Dec 2018 #104

I think people have this notion that Biden would just sail through the process as Obama's pal or... Garrett78 Dec 2018 #110

He didnt win 48% Texas Tiggeroshii Dec 2018 #102

Nope. nt fleabiscuit Dec 2018 #105

I would support Joe if he runs Gothmog Dec 2018 #109

I'll vote for whoever comes out of the primary season. Vinca Dec 2018 #113

Might be nice if we could nominate a qualified woman of color for president oberliner Dec 2018 #114