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melman

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53. Bullshit

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 11:54 AM

Dec 2018

In post #20 you said:

And while appreciating this media coverage, remember this faction is not the only one playing this game. Maybe spare a thought for the "other, much larger groups behind and intending to benefit from it. This little group is in the big leagues now."

and in post #25 you said:

25. "Yes, but either McConnell or Putin could easily

punt the lot of them without breaking stride, and they're temporarily playing on the same team with the goal of destroying our democracy -- and with it progressive government. I'm pretty sure these newbies don't realize what they're up against, or the stakes. "

And even in this post you say "these people are likely to be used to defeat their own goals by more far larger and more clever players"

Your meaning is clear.

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++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Dec 2018 #129

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