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Jim Lane

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126. It's absurd to lump them together. Bernie is the exact opposite.

Reply to Lady Freedom Returns (Reply #122)

Fri Dec 7, 2018, 12:45 PM

Dec 2018

Thinking back to 2000, I'm still a member in good standing of the Fuck Nader contingent. Despite my respect for Nader's earlier accomplishments, I remain convinced that if he'd run in the Democratic primaries and not the general election, then Gore would've become President. The result in 2000 is the classic illustration of why third-party politics is a mistake.

Well, Bernie actually did what Nader should've done. Bernie ran for the Democratic nomination. When he didn't get it, he swallowed his disappointment and endorsed Hillary -- to the (very vocal) dismay of many of his supporters. He went out and campaigned for her, too.

The thanks he gets on DU is snippy comments that he didn't campaign enough, and now he gets lumped in with the third-party zealots who actively opposed Hillary.

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Pierce: 2020 Is Already Shaping Up to Be Another Festival of Stupid [View all] mcar Dec 2018 OP

Geezums... can't we just run Obama again, with **insert name here** as Vice??? Raster Dec 2018 #1

Unfortunately, no. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2018 #3

We could, however, run **insert name here** as POTUS and Obama as VPOTUS. Raster Dec 2018 #4

Only Michelle Obama Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #8

Nope leftynyc Dec 2018 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author Timewas Dec 2018 #140

Not necessarily. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2018 #15

I have to laugh every time I read this particular idea. cwydro Dec 2018 #94

of course, it's not going to happen... Raster Dec 2018 #124

I had a teacher from back in my middle school days who implanted the idea that xor Dec 2018 #144

K & R. n/t FSogol Dec 2018 #2

This is great BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #5

And NYT with their concern troll piece mcar Dec 2018 #16

Keep an eye on HuffPo too BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #18

I refuse to click on any HuffPo link mcar Dec 2018 #21

He's Trying To BackTrack Now That He & They Me. Dec 2018 #83

A tweet by David Sirota criticizing Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #6

Yep. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2018 #14

Except, of course, he didn't take money from the "oil and gas industry" mcar Dec 2018 #19

Funny how some never address the fallacy that candidate X "took money from Y industry".... George II Dec 2018 #127

I looked up a few of those people who made donations too (I'm creepy) xor Dec 2018 #145

That's not creepy, that's why the reports are all online. I've pored over them quite a bit... George II Dec 2018 #146

Hassin, you're missing the issue. This isn't about who Hortensis Dec 2018 #28

Democracy versus despots Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #35

Who's talking about running a spoiler candidacy? Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2018 #37

We'll have to see, won't we? The question isn't Hortensis Dec 2018 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #75

Candidates do NOT "take money from the oil and gas industry or the pharmaceutical industry".... George II Dec 2018 #110

Actually, I saw Sirota's original tweet in real time and the argument he had octoberlib Dec 2018 #25

OK. It was a lousy reason to Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #58

The numbers he used, too, were manipulated to look bigger than they were. George II Dec 2018 #143

Sounds more like this has always been the way we run Presidential Campaigns katmondoo Dec 2018 #7

Well said Raven123 Dec 2018 #9

Amen! Duppers Dec 2018 #71

KnR for his piercing insights Hekate Dec 2018 #10

".. there appears to be a concerted effort from the Bernie Sanders camp to paint O'Rourke as a tool Cha Dec 2018 #11

Pierce sure pissed off a lot of dead Enders with his tweet BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #12

I know I saw that the other day.. Cha Dec 2018 #17

Yes, I know exactly what you mean about Twitter BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #23

I'm sickened to see the attacks and smears starting already mcar Dec 2018 #20

They're scared of Beto and it shows.. Cha Dec 2018 #22

They're scared of Beto, Kamala, Corey, Amy mcar Dec 2018 #24

Yeah, and Charlie Pierce isn't pulling any Cha Dec 2018 #27

I'm glad he's keeping it going mcar Dec 2018 #29

Lol. The attacks and smears never ended. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2018 #26

True. Some were attacking Harris and Booker with the same smears mcar Dec 2018 #30

Trying to cut them out early.. their big Smear Cha Dec 2018 #38

It probably wasn't a good idea for booker to vote against bi-partisan drug re importation. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2018 #43

Oh, shall we start pointing out specific votes by specific potential candidates? mcar Dec 2018 #49

Lol. You mean you haven't? Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2018 #57

lol Cha Dec 2018 #88

I dont think you can. I do wonder about russian sanctions though, what I want to know is Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #99

How many voted for the Crime Bill and against the Brady Bill? N/T lapucelle Dec 2018 #105

Did you see WHY Booker voted against drug importation? George II Dec 2018 #111

I love Pierce, but wryter2000 Dec 2018 #31

I take your point mcar Dec 2018 #32

True wryter2000 Dec 2018 #34

... mcar Dec 2018 #50

Right. I made the same Cha Dec 2018 #36

Sorry I missed it wryter2000 Dec 2018 #39

I only meant.. Cha Dec 2018 #41

I sure do, too! calimary Dec 2018 #96

Strangely enough every 2016 Sanders supporter IRL I know is all in on Beto. Autumn Dec 2018 #40

Yep. Pierce is the one stirring the shit pot. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2018 #44

Yeah I think so too, lucky for him he has a lot of eager fans for it. Autumn Dec 2018 #45

If you're running Bernie's 2020 campaign what you posted is a big problem for Bernie. BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #46

Lucky I'm not running his campaign then isn't it? Bernie will either run or he won't. Autumn Dec 2018 #47

Haha yes I know you're not running his campaign BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #51

I don't see the problem. That's what primaries are for and I think in 2020 we will have a nice Autumn Dec 2018 #53

Absolutely BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #54

Yeah, and it's backfiring.. Cha Dec 2018 #61

Yes I was just reading your post BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #63

That's right! I forgot about Beto's Cha Dec 2018 #65

I think he raised $70 million BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #70

WOW! IOW.. Thank God/Universe for Cha Dec 2018 #86

Yes, a long list of qualified, loyal Democrats to choose from. Happy to see that. George II Dec 2018 #114

Oops, that wasn't for you. nt Autumn Dec 2018 #115

Excuse me? George II Dec 2018 #116

Except Sirota mcar Dec 2018 #52

Wow one whole idiot? How ever shall we survive? Anyone with half a brain is well aware Autumn Dec 2018 #56

Yeah, we're talking about The Gathering" and there's Cha Dec 2018 #60

More than Sirota, then mcar Dec 2018 #100

Per Zactly! Cha Dec 2018 #104

Bernie 2016 voter here as well ZeroSomeBrains Dec 2018 #64

You'll have to ask "The Gathering" about that.. Cha Dec 2018 #72

What is this "Gathering" ZeroSomeBrains Dec 2018 #78

"The Gathering" are the ones Cha Dec 2018 #81

Some people just like to divide and stir the shit. One person like Sirota says something and Autumn Dec 2018 #79

Thank you! ZeroSomeBrains Dec 2018 #82

It helps Autumn Dec 2018 #84

I am one of them marlakay Dec 2018 #91

Bernie has no grounds for staying in the race if he loses white millennials. And he knows it. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #33

I just hope Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2018 #42

Accepting campaign donations IS NOT EQUIVALENT to voting for legislation on their behalf Yavin4 Dec 2018 #55

It would be nice if we did not lose to trump again. Turbineguy Dec 2018 #59

100% Agree ZeroSomeBrains Dec 2018 #69

Bernie is WAY Too Old--He Missed His Shot DoctorJoJo Dec 2018 #62

Many people share those feelings and that opinion. NurseJackie Dec 2018 #73

Yeah, he doesn't care. Cha Dec 2018 #77

I think it is much too early to jump to possible mistakes that haven't happened since no one has still_one Dec 2018 #66

California moving it's primary should make things interesting mcar Dec 2018 #101

I agree still_one Dec 2018 #103

It's significant but the schedule won't be all that different. As I posted yesterday: Garrett78 Dec 2018 #109

I'm hoping we'll end up with fewer candidates than many have forecasted. But... Garrett78 Dec 2018 #120

K&R betsuni Dec 2018 #67

Charlie Pierce is Speaking Truth to Power.. too Cha Dec 2018 #68

Pierce is eroding my respect for him. 😵 Duppers Dec 2018 #74

My Respect for Pierce has only gotten Stronger.. Cha Dec 2018 #76

Thank GOD Piece is speaking out, I wish I could. Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #80

Exactly, Eliot! you can Cha Dec 2018 #85

If you dont learn from your mistakes, you will repeat them. When you are not even allowed to Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #87

Precisely. Cha Dec 2018 #89

Yep. PREACH I say, HE can say what others DONT DARE ! Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #97

Why can't you? cwydro Dec 2018 #95

Why would Sirota making a false accusation mcar Dec 2018 #102

Our Democratic Party nominee will crush Trump like Houae of Reps Blue Wave did. n/t Prof.Higgins Dec 2018 #90

It's still my belief... SergeStorms Dec 2018 #92

The only candidate I want for the Democratic nominee is saljr1 Dec 2018 #93

Do you think Biden would lose if he's the nominee? NT Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #134

Pierce and his bitter truths . K&R JHan Dec 2018 #98

Sanders supporters have launched a coordinated attack on liberal firebrand Beto O'Rourke Cha Dec 2018 #106

Bernie has always been lukewarm on Beto BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #113

That's good reasoning.. Cha Dec 2018 #117

Did Bernie Sanders say something about Beto O'Rourke? NT Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #129

Harris is also just as liberal. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #119

Very Perceptive, Garrett.. Cha Dec 2018 #123

Oh the attacks have most certainly started Docreed2003 Dec 2018 #107

The author thinks Beto isn't progressive because he doesn't say the magic populist words. betsuni Dec 2018 #112

Exactly... Docreed2003 Dec 2018 #118

If we nominate the "most liberal" we'll lose. Only a small % of the Democratic Party considers.... George II Dec 2018 #125

Oh I agree Docreed2003 Dec 2018 #128

You should have been here in January 2009 and beyond. By mid-February people... George II Dec 2018 #141

I think your assessment is spot on Docreed2003 Dec 2018 #142

'Those who cannot remember the pas are condemned to repeat it' - Santayana empedocles Dec 2018 #108

Good OP Gothmog Dec 2018 #121

I'm sick of Bernie and those that votes 3rd party. Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2018 #122

It's absurd to lump them together. Bernie is the exact opposite. Jim Lane Dec 2018 #126

When Bernie Sanders endorsed HRC Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #131

Quite right about that revisionist history Jim Lane Dec 2018 #136

I never saw that here ; I remember everyone askeing when he was going to get serious, and being shut LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #137

He didn't endorse Clinton until the convention, way too late to rally his supporters. LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #138

Thank you for proving my point. (n/t) Jim Lane Dec 2018 #139

It's time to play hardball with Bernie; he's gotten a pass for too long LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #130

What do you mean by Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #132

Full court press; go after his lack of legislation, his business dealings, the works. LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #135

Love me some Beto flamingdem Dec 2018 #133