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In reply to the discussion: So Let Me Get This Straight !!! - Re: Julian Assange [View all]Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)106. No, actually, rape is what is alleged.
One of the women says she had consensual intercourse, with a condom, fell asleep after, and woke up to find Assange penetrating her. A sleeping person cannot consent. Prior consent is irrelevant. This allegation would constitute rape under English law as well (a consideration at Assange's extradition hearing).
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The fact that shrub and darth cheney are walking free in this country balances the
2on2u
Aug 2012
#1
Then he has to face the rape charge, defend himself with counsel, and stand up for himself.
Swamp Lover
Aug 2012
#3
Then by all means let's make sure Assange can go back to SWEDEN to defend himself and not be....
Raster
Aug 2012
#6
Actually the women said he did not rape them, they had sex without a condem. which somehow got chan
robinlynne
Aug 2012
#9
You do realize that each country is allowed to make it's own definition of rape, right?
jeff47
Aug 2012
#24
IT's NOT RAPE. That is not only my position, but reality. RAPE did not happen. Noone alleges that ra
robinlynne
Aug 2012
#95
Blurs the definition of rape. The alleged behavior occurred during/after consensual sex
leveymg
Aug 2012
#102
and the police tried to change the record of the testimony six days after it was made.
HiPointDem
Aug 2012
#184
Thanks for linking that. According the unaltered account, it becomes clear it wan't rape
leveymg
Aug 2012
#200
Except the women themselves aren't calling it rape, nor did they want to press charges
riderinthestorm
Aug 2012
#107
PLease. the victim who went back and had sex with him again a few days later? give me a break.
robinlynne
Aug 2012
#157
More than one allegation, more than one woman involved, and no, she didn't
Spider Jerusalem
Aug 2012
#160
Maybe because she didn't say that was what happened. There was no second intercourse,
HiPointDem
Aug 2012
#163
she had already by her own admission allowed sex without a correctly placed condom -- without
HiPointDem
Aug 2012
#170
she had already allowed sex without a condom by her own admission. a condom placed only on the
HiPointDem
Aug 2012
#175
no with *men.* i'm a woman, i *have* been raped, and this ain't rape. it's a woman, not under
HiPointDem
Aug 2012
#181
what does the fact that she met him days before have to do with it? all the 4 episodes of
HiPointDem
Aug 2012
#182
Holy crap! I had no idea the case was that flimsy, but *still* thought it was politically motivated
LaydeeBug
Aug 2012
#227
You claim to have read the police interviews and the rest of the info
Spider Jerusalem
Aug 2012
#174
i don't see any sexual assault or molestation in her description. you do. what is it?
HiPointDem
Aug 2012
#176
nowhere in their testimony do they say they were raped. nowhere in their testimony is anything
HiPointDem
Aug 2012
#178
sorry, it ain't once you've already had sex three times the same night -- unless you say "no".
HiPointDem
Aug 2012
#183
The opinion of the Swedish prosecutor and the UK high court is that there's a case to answer.
Spider Jerusalem
Aug 2012
#219
yeah, well, i'm pretty sure why *you* can't grasp that no rape occurred & the women aren't
HiPointDem
Aug 2012
#185
I'm sorry, Matt. Matt is it? A man? If the woman says its not rape, its not rape
riderinthestorm
Aug 2012
#125
You said the situation could "become rape". But the women involved say no rape
riderinthestorm
Aug 2012
#139
I also said I don't what happened and such a situation could become rape.
mattclearing
Aug 2012
#140
there's a high percentage of men on this thread saying it was rape. kind of funny.
HiPointDem
Aug 2012
#187
Wrong regarding Iraq. The rapes and tortures and murder occurred while the US
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#91
If you read the other Assange threads, you will find the same names over and over again,
1monster
Aug 2012
#196
You are naive, or have your head in the sand. Even the Australian government has said that the US
robinlynne
Aug 2012
#99
Except the women themselves aren't calling it rape, nor did they want to press charges
riderinthestorm
Aug 2012
#45
Read what I wrote, "its clearly got precedent happening from Sweden, not the UK." nt
riderinthestorm
Aug 2012
#103
ffs it's been explaied to you that the UK will not extradite to a country with the death penalty..
frylock
Aug 2012
#205
No, they will happily extradite as long as the prosecutors agree not to seek the death penalty.
jeff47
Aug 2012
#208
The point is to (1) discredit him and (2) get rid of him. US has nothing with which to charge him.nt
ieoeja
Aug 2012
#78
That's a cogent analysis of this case. I'm sure he, and most public figures btw, have
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#119
Take your mockery and bring it to a non-democratic board. Mockery is not a progressive
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#147
no one said he's a saint. he sounds like a royal asshole, in fact. him being an asshole doesn't
HiPointDem
Aug 2012
#186
by the testimony of the women themselves he didn't rape them. did you read it?
HiPointDem
Aug 2012
#212
as i've already shown you, rape in sweden = use of force or person unable to give consent.
HiPointDem
Aug 2012
#226
i notice *you* have ignored everything i've said, including the definition of rape in sweden.
HiPointDem
Aug 2012
#231
I'm sorry. I know exactly what rape is. Most women do. That is not rape. Rape is terrifying.
robinlynne
Aug 2012
#71
It is not rape. Dont call it rape. I dont care what Sweden does.That may be a translation error.
robinlynne
Aug 2012
#94
Does it matter to you that he denies these allegations? That none of this has
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#123
bullshit. the definition of rape in sweden is pretty much what it is in the us.
HiPointDem
Aug 2012
#224
which "swede's"? (sic) the ones who said the case didn't rise to rape and closed it, or
HiPointDem
Aug 2012
#232
there are no charges, and he was "accused" of "rape" for 2 CONSENSUAL sex acts.
librechik
Aug 2012
#86
"The woman who was held hostage and raped by Blackwater/Haliburton didn't get anywhere NEAR...
villager
Aug 2012
#4
Yes, it tells us Sweden does a much better job of protecting rape victims than Iraq.
jeff47
Aug 2012
#27
she was raped by US citizens and as you know they can be prosecuted in the USA for sex crimes abroad
Swagman
Aug 2012
#39
it relates to your claim that Sweden cares for rape victims better than any other country
Swagman
Aug 2012
#53
And I'm sure you rushed here to post your umbrage on behalf of Blackwater/US Army victims
villager
Aug 2012
#63
The paternalistic GALL of the Swedish state bringing this case on, against the wishes of the women
riderinthestorm
Aug 2012
#113
That's the problem with insanity, it never stops getting worse. If Mickey Spillane had
Egalitarian Thug
Aug 2012
#13
Fear of (more) exposure drives governments nuts. Even ones that brand themselves "transparent".
Tierra_y_Libertad
Aug 2012
#14
yes, obviously. threats to storm an embassy over a highly-dubious rape (highly dubious because
HiPointDem
Aug 2012
#26
an independent nation has concluded that Assange is telling the truth and has reviewed
Swagman
Aug 2012
#35
The point is to (1) discredit him and (2) get rid of him. US has nothing with which to charge him.nt
ieoeja
Aug 2012
#79
Sweden's last execution was in 1910; Sweden abolished the death penalty in 1920; and Sweden
struggle4progress
Aug 2012
#152
Sweden hands over about one person/yr to US; UK hands over about 20 persons/yr
struggle4progress
Aug 2012
#210
How are you so good at being ignorant of the contents of the discusion you
The Doctor.
Aug 2012
#237
You think it's suspicious that people in the news get talked about on a news-related webforum?
cemaphonic
Aug 2012
#158
This is NOT about rape. This is about someone having the audacity to expose the lies.
Raster
Aug 2012
#77
Exactly. In rape cases, I take the alleged victims side probably 99.9% of the time.
Zorra
Aug 2012
#148
Rape of the Sabine Women perhaps may be a tad more important to world history
AngryAmish
Aug 2012
#75
Yes, indeed, very odd. Assange must have something BIG to warrant this kind of attention. Wall St.
mother earth
Aug 2012
#80
Are people immune from all charges right after they commit a crime of which we approve?
treestar
Aug 2012
#93
these two certainly aren't. yet the brits say they'll storm an embassy to get this guy.
HiPointDem
Aug 2012
#177
More baseless personal attack type propaganda with not one single shred of fact to support it.
Zorra
Aug 2012
#203
Easy. He leaks a bunch of documents. Unlike Ellsberg, no one is prosecuting him for it
treestar
Aug 2012
#211
Thanks! Excellent journalism. However, no amount of fact, reason, or logic, will stop those whose
Zorra
Aug 2012
#202
what the fuck does any "unspoken bond among women" have to do with the question of whether
HiPointDem
Aug 2012
#217
ridiculous. and bogus. you don't want to deal with what the women actually said because that would
HiPointDem
Aug 2012
#221
derecognizing the status of the embassy = ruse to make entering the embassy and snatching
HiPointDem
Aug 2012
#235