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Poiuyt

(18,272 posts)
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 11:48 PM Dec 2018

Just because impeachment proceedings backfired on Republicans doesn't mean that it will [View all]

backfire on Democrats. There are two totally different situations.

Everyone is gunshy about impeaching Trump because of the way the Clinton impeachment went. I think that backfired on Republicans because the country saw that Clinton's crime (lying in a civil case) was frivolous and politically motivated. Trump's crimes, however, appear to be crimes against the United States. Much more serious. Even if the Senate doesn't convict him, and they probably won't, people will see that Trump's crimes warrant these measures.

We, of course, need to see the Mueller report, but I'm guessing it will show considerable evidence of impeachable crimes. If the Democrats in the House can use that report to build an overwhelming case for impeachment, they should do so, even if the Senate fails to convict. It's important for history so that people can see the extent of Trump 's crimes. It's important for future generations to see that there are repercussions for abuse of power or illegal behavior.

The Founding Fathers put the impeachment clause in the Constitution for a reason; the framers anticipated that someone would become president who might commit high crimes and misdemeanors. They did not say to only bring up impeachment trials if is politically expedient. We have never seen a case where it is needed more than now (assuming the Mueller report shows substantial evidence of impeachable crimes). It would be a travesty if the Democrats did not act at this time.

Sometimes you just need to do what's right.

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It's time to do the right thing. It's their constitutional duty. onecaliberal Dec 2018 #1
Totally agree with this. ooky Dec 2018 #4
Everyone knew Clinton's was a sham. Trump is destroying the country and it will be seen differently. TheBlackAdder Dec 2018 #25
There is a lot more to come on the Mueller front. I am starting to see that the special counsel onecaliberal Dec 2018 #28
I wonder how the Mueller report that we all speak about will come out. I heard recently that he Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #38
Before we start impeachment we need to step back and let the implosion happen from his fear kimbutgar Dec 2018 #2
Let it ride for a while SCantiGOP Dec 2018 #3
"40% of 2018 voters said they want Donald Trump impeached, Hortensis Dec 2018 #37
So you think it's more likely that gop and Russians would be supporting NO Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #39
I think they'd love a premature, failed attempt, Laura. Hortensis Dec 2018 #40
Thinking a lot about what you and others are saying. Concluded that there are so many Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #41
Well, got a clue today. Repukes saying trump's Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #43
We shouldn't mistake media plays for more than they are. Hortensis Dec 2018 #44
The problem is that the fundamental assumption of impeachment is false marylandblue Dec 2018 #5
Sometimes you just need to do what's SMART. Stinky The Clown Dec 2018 #6
What's smart Sugarcoated Dec 2018 #7
S.M.A.R.T. Goals Bucky Dec 2018 #10
There is a big difference between treason BigmanPigman Dec 2018 #8
Anyone who cites the founding fathers needs to review the history Bucky Dec 2018 #9
Impeachment is the legal recourse to a President having committed high crimes & misdemeanors. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #13
It might feel good to say that, but... Bucky Dec 2018 #14
Thank you for being a voice of reason EffieBlack Dec 2018 #34
I totally agree. The first duty of Congress is to protect the country, above all else. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #11
Trump convicted of multiple felonies will be very difficult to defend in Congress. Ford_Prefect Dec 2018 #12
So far, we know that trump committed at least 1 felony. Any party that attempts to sweep this under ecstatic Dec 2018 #15
Impeachment is a political process EffieBlack Dec 2018 #35
i think the most important thing to do first will be the investigations JI7 Dec 2018 #16
Field of dreams whistler162 Dec 2018 #17
Don't start a battle, even a righteous one, before you are armed enough to wage it DFW Dec 2018 #18
Two words - Fox News dansolo Dec 2018 #19
And how many times did the house vote to kill the ACA? Chasdev Dec 2018 #20
Because THAT approach worked so well? EffieBlack Dec 2018 #36
Good point. JohnnyRingo Dec 2018 #21
Apples and oranges pecosbob Dec 2018 #22
I would even question the premise -- that it backfired on the Republicans karynnj Dec 2018 #23
The impeachment of Cinton was fake. Scruffy1 Dec 2018 #29
Never start a fight you can't win, Codeine Dec 2018 #24
Is McConnell even required to act on it? Pope George Ringo II Dec 2018 #26
Do the math, do the math. Dems need to slice and dice Trump until the OnDoutside Dec 2018 #27
Impeaching with a simple majority in the House is no problem ... marble falls Dec 2018 #30
It doesn't mean it won't either. elocs Dec 2018 #31
K & R SunSeeker Dec 2018 #32
I look at it this way, Mr.Bill Dec 2018 #33
So why do they get to do whatever they want and we don't? Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #42
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