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BannonsLiver

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90. I think the public opinion factors into the calculation the GOP will have to make

Sat Dec 8, 2018, 05:50 AM

Dec 2018

Specifically GOP Senators. I agree with the OP in that conviction in the senate is remote. However, where I differ is that I can’t completely dismiss out of hand the idea he may be forced out or actually be convicted in the senate because we don’t know the full extent of Mueller’s cards and how they will be received by the public when they are out on the table.

At some point the GOP will have a calculation to make on 2020. We will likely be in a recession and the specter of losing the senate and the WH won’t be some blurry abstract idea, it will be real with definable features.

Will it be enough? As of now, I’m with the OP and I say no. The current GOP cretins are different in their predecessors. Much more ideological, they are under the spell of a fascist and have steadfastly backed him at every turn.

But I’ve learned never say never. One of many lessons from 2016.

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FFS! What is it that people DO NOT UNDERSTAND about 67 Senate votes to Impeach! [View all] sheshe2 Dec 2018 OP

I tried. I really did. But . . . . . Stinky The Clown Dec 2018 #1

Luv ya, Stinky. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #13

Nixon resigned without a vote Cartoonist Dec 2018 #2

Nixon was a realist, not a narcissist MiniMe Dec 2018 #6

He was a bit of a narcissist, TBH Bucky Dec 2018 #73

Did you seriously just type that Nixon wasn't a narcissist? oberliner Dec 2018 #143

Cmon. You can't be a politician without being a narcissist. It's a given. erronis Dec 2018 #145

Compared to DT, he was a garden variety mini-narcissist. pnwmom Dec 2018 #150

The GOP Senators all got together and told him he'd be convicted FakeNoose Dec 2018 #12

Because Senators Goldwater and Scott informed him he had only 15 votes on his side /nt LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #18

Nixon didn't have FOX and a cult bitterross Dec 2018 #35

Nixon was cracking, but he was never batshit crazy like Red Don seems to be. nt Hekate Dec 2018 #38

Congress had the votes. His own party blackmailed him... Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author herding cats Dec 2018 #60

Compare to what we have now, Nixon was a statesman question everything Dec 2018 #61

But it was only after GOP senators... srobertss Dec 2018 #84

President Pence EffieBlack Dec 2018 #3

Impeach them both. allgood33 Dec 2018 #7

I await Mueller. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #49

Same Here Me. Dec 2018 #152

Thank you. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #153

... Me. Dec 2018 #154

I hope you're not suggesting letting a criminal owned by Russia stay in office... Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #54

Fact is Pence is a criminal owned by Russia as well. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #67

and I don't think it stops there... anarch Dec 2018 #94

I fear that a "reconciliation" phase without the "truth" part will be the outcome erronis Dec 2018 #146

So if the Senate is not going to do its Constitutional duty the House dem4decades Dec 2018 #4

In a word stopdiggin Dec 2018 #16

Thank you. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #24

As well as distracting from stuff that CAN be done The Mouth Dec 2018 #53

You need to quit thinking of impeachment and removal in criminal terms Bucky Dec 2018 #75

In that analogy Martin Eden Dec 2018 #97

67 Senate votes to remove. Impeachment is the name for the thing that the House does. RockRaven Dec 2018 #5

That's poorly worded... 2naSalit Dec 2018 #8

With the enablers, thy name be the GOPeee. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #26

I agree with you, my dear sheshe... CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2018 #9

Trump lost by 3 million votes. He's locked at 40% approval. We retook the House Azathoth Dec 2018 #10

Well sheshe2 Dec 2018 #31

"Sorry. Repukes don't give a damn" Azathoth Dec 2018 #36

I thought there was a good chance of taking the House in Jan 2017 marylandblue Dec 2018 #117

If he's guily of felonies the hous really has no choice but to impeach. Scruffy1 Dec 2018 #42

I agree. The House must hold a criminal accountable & try to protect the country. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #62

The ultimate goal of impeachment is removal from office dansolo Dec 2018 #101

In other words, do your duty. Just like the repulicons were doing with ACA, Benghazi, emails... erronis Dec 2018 #147

I think what it depends on is public opinion. RDANGELO Dec 2018 #11

I disagree. Public opinion doesn't matter when it comes to the law. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #65

I'm not saying they shouldn't impeach him. RDANGELO Dec 2018 #81

I think the public opinion factors into the calculation the GOP will have to make BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #90

Resignation would be cheaper JustFiveMoreMinutes Dec 2018 #14

I think it's better FoxNewsSucks Dec 2018 #15

did I miss a rewrite of the Constitution? Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #17

We should do our constitutional duty regardless of whether the Senate does theirs. ooky Dec 2018 #19

exactly janterry Dec 2018 #106

house will have no choice but to impeach AlexSFCA Dec 2018 #20

You are exactly right She Andy823 Dec 2018 #21

Thank you Andy. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #37

It will take a great deal to get 20 GOP senators to vote to convict Gothmog Dec 2018 #22

21 GOP Senators are up for re-election in 2020,. DinahMoeHum Dec 2018 #118

"It would give Trump a second term..." jcgoldie Dec 2018 #23

Well... sheshe2 Dec 2018 #46

OK jcgoldie Dec 2018 #77

True! And what about mueller findings. Are we just gonna nibble around the edges? This whole ide Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #123

We have to breathe here. Deep breaths. MontanaMama Dec 2018 #25

There is no constitutional duty to impeach marylandblue Dec 2018 #30

Good post mcar Dec 2018 #107

Impeachment is simply an indictment RhodeIslandOne Dec 2018 #27

I agree, we should NOT talk about impeachment now. It is premature. However, after the Mueller still_one Dec 2018 #28

FFS dweller Dec 2018 #71

Actually you brought up an even better point which needed emphasis. It would draw attention to the still_one Dec 2018 #92

Why are people so concerned about "history?" marylandblue Dec 2018 #29

Dem House should haul in Rupert Murdoch, Sean Hannity EndGOPPropaganda Dec 2018 #32

Pretty sure Hannity is under investigation as well. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #68

I don't think it is about "understanding" about the process. Caliman73 Dec 2018 #33

Perfectly put Sugarcoated Dec 2018 #39

I agree. If he committed high crimes & misdemeanors, it is the House's duty to impeach. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #45

I contend that this is in no way comparable Sugarcoated Dec 2018 #70

I think there will be a backlash, if we don't move to do the proper, legal thing. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #72

Dems lack of balls Sugarcoated Dec 2018 #74

Bingo. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #76

Thank you! +1 Ponietz Dec 2018 #98

"It would be a fools errand to try impeachment" elmac Dec 2018 #34

If he committed high crimes & misdemeanors, we must proceed w/the lawful recourse. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #40

Yes. Impeachment should be ready to go LiberalLovinLug Dec 2018 #52

I see your point. But I'm not talking politics. We HAVE to impeach, if there is clear evidence. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #57

+1 Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #125

I'm right there with you, sheshe.For a supposedly reality-based forum, there are fantasies galore... Hekate Dec 2018 #41

And that, right there, is the focus mcar Dec 2018 #108

If the evidence becomes overwhelming and the house doesn't John Fante Dec 2018 #43

I don't care what it looks like. But we have to do the right thing & impeach... Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #50

Agreed 100% John Fante Dec 2018 #135

Well Jon. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #59

well then we probably shouldn't imprison Heather's killer. uncle ray Dec 2018 #100

Well then... sheshe2 Dec 2018 #138

I can't think of a better way to honor their memory John Fante Dec 2018 #134

Where did I post what you are saying? sheshe2 Dec 2018 #139

That's what I responding to. Apparently, you want us to walk on eggshells for the John Fante Dec 2018 #156

No John. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #157

Wait until the real news of what Mueller knows comes out. It may be quite alarming, and C Moon Dec 2018 #44

Exactly. That is the correct answer when asked about impeachment...the mueller probe is not Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #126

I can't wait! sheshe2 Dec 2018 #141

Makes me want to bang my head against the wall. bitterross Dec 2018 #47

You're missing a huge equation SHRED Dec 2018 #48

Actually, SHRED I am not missing anything. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #64

Worse are the idiots railing about the Electoral College The Mouth Dec 2018 #55

"Yes, even compromise with fascists." uncle ray Dec 2018 #102

Unless you have a supermajority in both houses and the presidency The Mouth Dec 2018 #133

FFS, It's about principle, it's about taking a stand, it's about doing THE RIGHT THING Fiendish Thingy Dec 2018 #56

Omg, YES Sugarcoated Dec 2018 #78

Yes! Ponietz Dec 2018 #99

So just forget about upholding the Constitution and the rule of law? KelleyKramer Dec 2018 #58

+1. Democrats have no control over the Senate, but a Democratic-controlled House must do its duty. dalton99a Dec 2018 #66

Impeach him Devil Child Dec 2018 #63

I hear you, and I see the locals here railing against reality. herding cats Dec 2018 #69

House impeaches while Senate convicts... Joe941 Dec 2018 #79

I'll respectfully push back on that. What if prosecutors let every criminal off the hook ecstatic Dec 2018 #80

This is a case of having half the jurors that you know in advance will NOT vote to convict DFW Dec 2018 #87

I disagree. honest.abe Dec 2018 #82

TOTALLY on point.. nt Raine Dec 2018 #83

The. Senate. Does. Not. Impeach. eShirl Dec 2018 #85

No matter the outcome, WE NEED TO TRY. Talitha Dec 2018 #86

I agree with you She. For all the talk of "principles" & "constitutional duty", impeachment plays.. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2018 #88

Upholding the rule of law is not a fools errand. XRubicon Dec 2018 #89

Sadly... Mike Nelson Dec 2018 #91

Is as if some view congresspersons as impartial jurors. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #93

What's the solution? Sunsky Dec 2018 #95

Impeachment can be used as a tactic in run up to 2020 election, all about timing beachbum bob Dec 2018 #96

April 2020 would be good - plenty of evidence from Mueller & NYAG by then dalton99a Dec 2018 #105

And 21 GOP Senators are up for re-election in 2020. . . DinahMoeHum Dec 2018 #119

"McConnel CANNOT delay it" NYC Liberal Dec 2018 #127

But this is DU where if you really, really wish and want something to happen, elocs Dec 2018 #103

Patience is right mcar Dec 2018 #104

Assume you would start with 47 votes. kentuck Dec 2018 #109

Things are hitting the fan quickly these days kacekwl Dec 2018 #110

"All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2018 #111

I disagree with this take... Chitown Kev Dec 2018 #112

I also stated we have a lot of irons in the fire. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #144

What I understand is we're furnishing trump with aid and comfort he in no way deserves. Paladin Dec 2018 #113

Big Picture modrepub Dec 2018 #114

Impeachment requires a majority of the House. Conviction and removal require 67 Senators. Squinch Dec 2018 #115

Also, 21 Republican Senators are up for re-election in 2020. . . DinahMoeHum Dec 2018 #132

The ultimate political disaster is not to impeach BeyondGeography Dec 2018 #116

Totally disagree. Who cares if we don't have the votes. We must stand up regardless. Nt Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #120

People here completely understand Bradshaw3 Dec 2018 #121

The problem is they want impeachment to happen two seconds after we take over the House... Iggo Dec 2018 #122

This defeatist language is what has soured voters on the Democratic Party for decades Zorro Dec 2018 #124

Please stop conflating the issues. Eyeball_Kid Dec 2018 #128

This is why I ..painfully.. ignore the whole thing ismnotwasm Dec 2018 #129

It would better help get the truth out Stargleamer Dec 2018 #130

I think you're flat wrong. Impeachment is the Indictment. bullimiami Dec 2018 #131

Impeachment (House) vs removal (Senate). We must impeach, ideally when we can remove. (n/t) FreepFryer Dec 2018 #136

The House must impeach, regardless of what the Senate does AndJusticeForSome Dec 2018 #137

I agree with this post pecosbob Dec 2018 #140

But Mueller might reveal some REALLY HIDEOUS SHIT. yodermon Dec 2018 #142

I don't understand why people feel the need to tell others what to think MrGrieves Dec 2018 #148

You are correct. GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #149

"They forgot that the Repuke controls the Senate 51/49" Polybius Dec 2018 #151

An impeachment trial will get very messy Turbineguy Dec 2018 #155