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MADem

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111. Call me on what? For NOTICING a few things?
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 06:47 PM
Aug 2012

I ignore nothing--in fact, I spend a lot of time looking ALL around--not just at the obvious stuff that is waved in front of our faces, spoon fed by people who call themselves reporters.

Look at the big picture for a second. Just a quick second. Put your ideology aside and be practical.

Who benefits from Assange being stuck in the Embassy?

Ecuador does. Why? Correa wants to be the New Heir in the Square when Hugo Chavez dies. He's needs a major "coup" to do that. Tweaking the nose of UK (or appearing to) works well in that regard.

USA does. They're sick of this guy publishing their international diplomatic cables like they're National Enquirer gossip. That goes double for the countries and players named in those documents. No one likes their trashy little off-the-record remarks published for all to see. So long as he's in the Embassy, Assange isn't out there collecting more tattle-tales to publish. If he tries to run his franchise from the Embassy, the Brits will break down the door. The guy has been, in effect, MUZZLED.

Sweden does. They think he's a rapist at worst, a molester at minimum, who needs to be sentenced in Sweden and the max sentence is four years. If he sits in that Embassy for four years, hey, it's all good and they didn't have to pay to feed him, guard him, or give him dental check ups and annual physicals. It gives them an opportunity to demonstrate that they are serious about the crimes of rape and assault, which haven't always been handled, shall we say, "well" by prosecutors in that nation. The government gets a thumbs-up from Swedish women and equality-minded men who want these sort of crimes dealt with seriously.

UK does--though they, like the Ecuadorans, have to do a little work for their benefit. They are demonstrating that, even though they don't want to join the Euro Gang, that they are good neighbors to their European partners and they'll honor those international arrest warrants. No shirking on their part! No one can say they blew this one off. They also make a strong point about their sovereignty, and that usually plays well domestically.

Assange does? Well...no. All he's done is bought some time, frozen the frame, put himself in limbo. He'd better hope the world doesn't move on to some Big New Drama, as the world does--a Nahn Wun Wun or a Fukushima on steroids or a Katrina or a Haiti earthquake or an Indonesian tsunami could put him off into forgotten land, and then he'd have no bargaining power at all. The night before the announcement regarding his asylum, despite great efforts across social media, they were unable to muster even two dozen protesters and several of them were drunks wandering home after time was called. A few folks showed up after the announcement, but even they didn't hang around. The place has a few signs and a few professional protesters hanging about, but there's not "critical mass." Assange will have to make an address from a balcony or open window to stir the pot, if he can...but even that will get old, eventually. People will move on.

I ask the "Cui Bono?" question--and I look at things pragmatically. Everyone's getting what they want from this outcome, at least in the short term, and for the time being, except, perhaps Assange--unless his bucket list had "Learn conversational Spanish really, really well."

It's a win-win-win, even if briefly, for a number of the players here.

So no, I am not "wrong"--I just see things differently than you do. Your differing opinion does not trouble me, I should expect that mine shouldn't trouble you, either. It's a discussion board...the idea, here, is to discuss.

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Inside a person-sized lasagna. nt limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #1
a diplomatic pouch man-purse? nt flamingdem Aug 2012 #6
I changed the lasagna to make it gender neutral. limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #10
ut oh am i going to get in trouble? flamingdem Aug 2012 #12
You have to call it a "carry-all" limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #20
ha ha ha - you made me look! flamingdem Aug 2012 #29
Other ,they're all connected to the orpupilofnature57 Aug 2012 #2
The 'doomsday threat' is a bluff. randome Aug 2012 #9
Maybe he's got something on CORREA...which motivated the enthusiasm to grant asylum? MADem Aug 2012 #42
Hero no , Smart yes and his woes are a result of orpupilofnature57 Aug 2012 #61
What a movie script! treestar Aug 2012 #3
I thought so too, depending on how it plays out. n/t Cleita Aug 2012 #4
He might just be stuck in the Embassy until he decides to take his chances with Sweden. MADem Aug 2012 #5
Oh but he is in America's clutches. Cleita Aug 2012 #7
Why should Sweden, where he is accused of a crime, play lets make a deal with a purported rapist? MADem Aug 2012 #43
Actually, he's only wanted in Sweden for questioning, not arrest. This Cleita Aug 2012 #46
An international arrest warrant WAS issued, and they want a DNA sample according to some accounts. MADem Aug 2012 #55
Your links are out of date. Here's the latest. Cleita Aug 2012 #67
You aren't understanding--the Swedes cannot CHARGE him until they interview him IN Sweden. MADem Aug 2012 #68
And this is why it's all so suspect. If all they really wanted to do is interview him Cleita Aug 2012 #70
Again, you are just not understanding--"skype" is not "physically present in Sweden" and this is an MADem Aug 2012 #79
YOU don't understand. When they say one thing but really mean another, it doesn't pass the Cleita Aug 2012 #82
I do understand, though. I've lived under many legal systems -- very diverse ones, too--so I tend MADem Aug 2012 #96
If he is caught in this web of intrigue and is extradited, or kidnapped, whatever happens, Cleita Aug 2012 #98
Call me on what? For NOTICING a few things? MADem Aug 2012 #111
Found a link for you on The Young Turks Cleita Aug 2012 #49
Damn that nefarious Obama! Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #81
Obama is doing his job to stop those embarrassing secrets from Cleita Aug 2012 #83
Obama is covering up war crimes? Obama is going to send Assange to Gitmo? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #89
I don't think Obama has anything to do with it. Cleita Aug 2012 #90
MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: WIKIPROTOCOL derby378 Aug 2012 #8
Fulton Skyhook. -..__... Aug 2012 #11
That's very clever but wouldn't it require the US military to do that? Cleita Aug 2012 #13
Batman might still have one lying around (n/t) derby378 Aug 2012 #15
Ecuador has C-130's. -..__... Aug 2012 #35
Very large diplomatic pouch exboyfil Aug 2012 #14
seconded n/t LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #17
Interesting. Where there is a will, it seems there is a way.n/t Cleita Aug 2012 #22
How about a diplomatic pooch? flamingdem Aug 2012 #36
Well he could ... Historic NY Aug 2012 #16
He's already out slutticus Aug 2012 #18
A source would help. Cleita Aug 2012 #21
That doesn't make any sense... SidDithers Aug 2012 #26
Ahhh, tell us all about it, now.... nt MADem Aug 2012 #44
Wiki-scape? chowder66 Aug 2012 #19
Wi-scape elehhhhna Aug 2012 #28
; ) chowder66 Aug 2012 #38
Well it IS and island.... so there are boats underpants Aug 2012 #23
Dressed like a gal... greytdemocrat Aug 2012 #24
Other. They're not... SidDithers Aug 2012 #25
The British Gov't has nothing to gain by keeping him there. They'll let him go leveymg Aug 2012 #27
True, which makes it even more mystifying why they would hurt Cleita Aug 2012 #30
Somebody in the Foreign Office or MI6 has a bugger up their butt about him. Same in DC. leveymg Aug 2012 #33
Nah. The Swedes are pizzed-off. Assange had toyed with them in Sep and Oct 2010, as they tried struggle4progress Aug 2012 #40
I really think this is thin skins in Foggy Bottom than anything that happened in Sweden. leveymg Aug 2012 #54
Why would the Swedes give a rat's ass about the US State Department cables? struggle4progress Aug 2012 #56
For one thing, they're pissed that Wikileaks revealed their relationship with US intelligence. leveymg Aug 2012 #62
IIRC Karl Rove has also advised the Swedish PM in the past. CJCRANE Aug 2012 #64
IIRC the warrant issued before cable publication began struggle4progress Aug 2012 #69
That statement is incredibly misleading and FOS. Wikileaks has been releasing materials of interest leveymg Aug 2012 #73
Get 5000 or more supporters to dress in Guy Fawkes masks, storm the embassy hlthe2b Aug 2012 #31
That's a pretty good scenario and you Cleita Aug 2012 #32
No, no! Julian Assange masks! leveymg Aug 2012 #34
The police's first goal would be to retain positive control over the points of egress. MADem Aug 2012 #48
take a lot of police to control 5000 unexpected protesters descending on the embassy... hlthe2b Aug 2012 #51
They wouldn't be "unexpected." Are you at all familiar with that area, or how Metropolitan Police MADem Aug 2012 #60
unless i'm wrong Ecuadorian law would prevent him from becoming a citizen Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #63
I think the problem might be that even if the Ecuadorans gave him diplomatic status, his MADem Aug 2012 #71
tie him on top of Mitt's car. n/t progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #37
Other: He gets bored, or the spotlight wanes, and he turns himself back in to England. Robb Aug 2012 #39
some "Misanthropes" will weasel a way to snatch him fascisthunter Aug 2012 #41
Magic. CabCurious Aug 2012 #45
Or a dimensional shift? Cleita Aug 2012 #47
I'll take in the boot of a Mini for $100, Alex. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #50
. UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #52
"Oh, if I had the wings of an angel" Cleita Aug 2012 #53
He'll stay in the embassy for 800 years, like that knight in the Indiana Jones movie n/t RZM Aug 2012 #57
That knight had the Holy Grail to keep him alive. Cleita Aug 2012 #58
No, just a crown of thorns RZM Aug 2012 #59
The asylum granted is only within the embassy, not Ecuador TorchTheWitch Aug 2012 #65
Maybe they are giving a rat's ass now after Britain threatened Cleita Aug 2012 #66
They are, like it or not, a colony in some regards--their "official currency" is the US DOLLAR. MADem Aug 2012 #72
Yeah, yeah. Cleita Aug 2012 #74
No, no--not indexed. The actual DOLLAR. MADem Aug 2012 #84
We still don't have a government there. Cleita Aug 2012 #86
We don't WANT a government there--at least not right now. MADem Aug 2012 #91
So stop saying they are a colony of ours or Great Britain. n/t Cleita Aug 2012 #94
They are tied to us by the dollar, so they are--even if THEY don't like it--a colony of sorts. MADem Aug 2012 #97
Whatever! Cleita Aug 2012 #99
No need to be petty and uncivil. It is possible to disagree without name calling and MADem Aug 2012 #100
I think the only realistic option is for the Equadorian gov't & consul to negotiate safe passage. backscatter712 Aug 2012 #75
All it will do is buy him time. Yes, I believe he will be a hunted man Cleita Aug 2012 #77
Safe passage will not be granted. Ecuador has signed on to be Assange's jailer. MADem Aug 2012 #87
Frankly, Quito will only be a stopover. Cleita Aug 2012 #92
Which country would you predict he jump to? MADem Aug 2012 #103
It would have to be one without an extradition treaty with the USA and that has the Cleita Aug 2012 #104
Well, I've named them all. MADem Aug 2012 #105
Apparently some countries who do have treaties with us often choose to ignore them, Cleita Aug 2012 #106
Not often. Occasionally, sure--Ira Einhorn comes to mind, but we got him eventually. MADem Aug 2012 #107
I wonder if Iceland would let Assange stay there or go through there? backscatter712 Aug 2012 #109
Hide him with Mitts taxes 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #76
The Tube of course n/t YankeyMCC Aug 2012 #78
Do something similar to the Flying Elvises. KansDem Aug 2012 #80
That was sort of suggested up thread using Guy Fawke masks. n/t Cleita Aug 2012 #93
Other ikri Aug 2012 #85
Interesting. I wonder if they know this. n/t Cleita Aug 2012 #88
Why would UK do that? ECUADOR would need to do that--not UK. MADem Aug 2012 #95
tardis ? limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #101
But Dr. Who is probably on the side of the Brits so he wouldn't Cleita Aug 2012 #102
TARDIS, of course librechik Aug 2012 #108
Well, he IS in England, after all. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2012 #110
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