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karynnj

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23. I would even question the premise -- that it backfired on the Republicans
Sat Dec 8, 2018, 03:21 PM
Dec 2018

In fact, the Republicans impeached Clinton in the Senate in late 1998 during the lame duck session. Looking at the 1998 elections when impeachment was clearly on the table, the Senate was a wash, and trhe Democrats gained 5 seats in the House, with the Republicans having more votes cast for them. We had a net gain of one Governorship. 1998 was almost as stable a year as you will find.

The first election AFTER impeachment was 2000. Remember that GWB, well known as a mean drunk until he was 40 years old, ran on bringing "honor and decency" back to the White House. Al Gore was a former eagle scout, married to his high school sweetheart with a wonderful family. He was given more responsibility than most VPs and was considered to have done a great job. This should not even have been close!

As to the House, the Democrats gained 2 seats, with Republicans narrowly retaining the House. In the Senate, the Democrats gained 4 seats -- however this was a Senate class where the Republicans had gained 8 seats in 1994, the last time they ran. So, we DID have modest gains in Congress, but in BOTH houses we were still in far worse shape than we were before the 1994 election.

Imagine there were no impeachment. Gore, strongly supported by Clinton, emphasizing the state of the world - that might have been better if Congress/administration would not have been absorbed by the impeachment. Not to mention, no way could Bush have gained traction on "honor and decency".

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It's time to do the right thing. It's their constitutional duty. onecaliberal Dec 2018 #1
Totally agree with this. ooky Dec 2018 #4
Everyone knew Clinton's was a sham. Trump is destroying the country and it will be seen differently. TheBlackAdder Dec 2018 #25
There is a lot more to come on the Mueller front. I am starting to see that the special counsel onecaliberal Dec 2018 #28
I wonder how the Mueller report that we all speak about will come out. I heard recently that he Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #38
Before we start impeachment we need to step back and let the implosion happen from his fear kimbutgar Dec 2018 #2
Let it ride for a while SCantiGOP Dec 2018 #3
"40% of 2018 voters said they want Donald Trump impeached, Hortensis Dec 2018 #37
So you think it's more likely that gop and Russians would be supporting NO Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #39
I think they'd love a premature, failed attempt, Laura. Hortensis Dec 2018 #40
Thinking a lot about what you and others are saying. Concluded that there are so many Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #41
Well, got a clue today. Repukes saying trump's Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #43
We shouldn't mistake media plays for more than they are. Hortensis Dec 2018 #44
The problem is that the fundamental assumption of impeachment is false marylandblue Dec 2018 #5
Sometimes you just need to do what's SMART. Stinky The Clown Dec 2018 #6
What's smart Sugarcoated Dec 2018 #7
S.M.A.R.T. Goals Bucky Dec 2018 #10
There is a big difference between treason BigmanPigman Dec 2018 #8
Anyone who cites the founding fathers needs to review the history Bucky Dec 2018 #9
Impeachment is the legal recourse to a President having committed high crimes & misdemeanors. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #13
It might feel good to say that, but... Bucky Dec 2018 #14
Thank you for being a voice of reason EffieBlack Dec 2018 #34
I totally agree. The first duty of Congress is to protect the country, above all else. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #11
Trump convicted of multiple felonies will be very difficult to defend in Congress. Ford_Prefect Dec 2018 #12
So far, we know that trump committed at least 1 felony. Any party that attempts to sweep this under ecstatic Dec 2018 #15
Impeachment is a political process EffieBlack Dec 2018 #35
i think the most important thing to do first will be the investigations JI7 Dec 2018 #16
Field of dreams whistler162 Dec 2018 #17
Don't start a battle, even a righteous one, before you are armed enough to wage it DFW Dec 2018 #18
Two words - Fox News dansolo Dec 2018 #19
And how many times did the house vote to kill the ACA? Chasdev Dec 2018 #20
Because THAT approach worked so well? EffieBlack Dec 2018 #36
Good point. JohnnyRingo Dec 2018 #21
Apples and oranges pecosbob Dec 2018 #22
I would even question the premise -- that it backfired on the Republicans karynnj Dec 2018 #23
The impeachment of Cinton was fake. Scruffy1 Dec 2018 #29
Never start a fight you can't win, Codeine Dec 2018 #24
Is McConnell even required to act on it? Pope George Ringo II Dec 2018 #26
Do the math, do the math. Dems need to slice and dice Trump until the OnDoutside Dec 2018 #27
Impeaching with a simple majority in the House is no problem ... marble falls Dec 2018 #30
It doesn't mean it won't either. elocs Dec 2018 #31
K & R SunSeeker Dec 2018 #32
I look at it this way, Mr.Bill Dec 2018 #33
So why do they get to do whatever they want and we don't? Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #42
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