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RainDog

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147. you're wrong

Wed Jan 4, 2012, 02:42 AM

Jan 2012

about this OP and about me characterizing or smearing people - I said that indicating support for the post indicates support for bigotry. That's the impression, whether you want it to be or not.

Again, the simple way to put this is to change the group. If the OP had said... Glenn Greenwald is black. Because he's black, he and other black people who post on DU do not support the president because of x or y.

That would also be bigotry because it is making claims about an entire group here and one person simply based upon the color of their skin and not the content of their writing.

I don't think you mean harm - I'm just saying that when I read the OP, I thought... surely this person cannot think it's good political judgment to try to pretend that being gay is a reason to critique an issue.

In addition, since the person talks about rhetoric - here's another part of the post that plays into homosexual stereotypes - saying that Greenwald is an "emotional writer."

If someone wanted to talk about a woman's position on the issue of abortion - whatever her stance - to label her as an 'emotional' writer is the sort of rhetoric that is considered slimy.

It's called "hitting below the belt."

People cannot post anything they want. There are terms of service here and posted bigotry is not acceptable.

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Let's talk about Glenn Greenwald [View all] johnaries Dec 2011 OP

I agree, but let's tone down the "stupid" remarks RandySF Dec 2011 #1

Thanks for the advice, but johnaries Jan 2012 #7

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Waiting for the answer Cameron27 Jan 2012 #59

You agree? IT is a gay fucking conspiracy? dbackjon Jun 2013 #184

Just fyi, while in the Senate, the President did vote against the Uniting American Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #2

The correct answer is that the previous Senator johnaries Jan 2012 #8

actually it should be noted that the justice department refused dsc Jan 2012 #3

Please don't put words in my mouth. I am your friend, not your enemy. johnaries Jan 2012 #5

Oh really? dsc Jan 2012 #6

Oh, Puh-leezE! johnaries Jan 2012 #10

Read here. Learn that the President, while in the Senate, voted against the bill that Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #160

I apologize to all on behalf of DSC. johnaries Jan 2012 #15

Take your apology on behalf of dsc and MNBrewer Jan 2012 #24

I always thought he was an asshole--since he called the victims of Matt Hale 'odious and repugnant.' msanthrope Jan 2012 #42

What was the outcome of that particular case? MNBrewer Jan 2012 #54

You have nothing to say about his calling teenagers 'odious and repugnant?' msanthrope Jan 2012 #73

You're doing what Greenwald has been accused of doing by the OP. MNBrewer Jan 2012 #100

Um, what? msanthrope Jan 2012 #174

I'm not a lawyer Cameron27 Jan 2012 #57

Tell me--can you recall the ACLU calling a plaintiff 'odious and repugnant' because they wanted msanthrope Jan 2012 #68

I need to know a lot more Cameron27 Jan 2012 #71

Seriously? You think that 'context' might provide cover for calling teenage shooting victims msanthrope Jan 2012 #74

If I have time today, Cameron27 Jan 2012 #77

Try the case where he wiretapped for Matt Hale--159 F. Supp. 2d 1116; 2001 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 13001 msanthrope Jan 2012 #87

Apparently he did wiretap, Cameron27 Jan 2012 #97

CCR repped the Plaintiff in the Anderson case, Michael Ian Bender repped the teens. msanthrope Jan 2012 #98

Did Hale shoot the "teenagers"? MNBrewer Jan 2012 #101

no. Benjamin Smith shot them RainDog Jan 2012 #137

I find a lot of people using that quote who hate Greenwald MNBrewer Jan 2012 #102

ditto Cameron27 Jan 2012 #104

You couldn't be more wrong. Greenwald was honored this year by FAIR, EFerrari Jan 2012 #46

It's a shame that someone who wiretapped for Matt Hale would get any award. msanthrope Jan 2012 #89

You do not need to apologize on behalf of DSC... jumptheshadow Jan 2012 #62

That's a really obnoxious post. Union Scribe Jan 2012 #125

You are clearly not familiar with Greenwald's writing. This description of him, as being 'emotional' sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #148

Oops, this post was intended for the OP. Apologies to dsc. n/t sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #151

It's called propaganda noise Jan 2012 #4

As I point out, Greenwald does not rely on REALITY johnaries Jan 2012 #12

So the tea party noise Jan 2012 #13

Just as much as the lables of him as a Corporatist are. johnaries Jan 2012 #14

Why don't YOU take a look at reality, then? MNBrewer Jan 2012 #25

Um... look who he has in his admin and what how he has helped corporate America fascisthunter Jan 2012 #44

Have you ever noted the irony of a Wachtell litigator accusing Obama of msanthrope Jan 2012 #85

I'm more interested in the motivations behind all the hyperbolic and dishonest attacks quinnox Jan 2012 #9

Maybe it's because Greenwald himself indulges in "over the top" johnaries Jan 2012 #11

Greenwald is not a reporter. EFerrari Jan 2012 #40

A civil rights attorney cited for unethical behavior for recording witnesses. msanthrope Jan 2012 #92

as I have asked below, would you please edit your post RainDog Jan 2012 #138

"You would think he personally choked a bunch of peoples favorite pets" JVS Jan 2012 #123

Greenwald's paragraphs are poorly linked to each other Kolesar Jan 2012 #128

+1. You nailed him perfectly. He's bitter. Kahuna Jan 2012 #16

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Don't try to pysch me out. It won't work. Kahuna Jan 2012 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jan 2012 #75

I don't owe you an explanation but if you want.. Kahuna Jan 2012 #90

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let me guess, quinnox Jan 2012 #32

No I do not. But I have a lot of gay relatives, and they still support the pres. Kahuna Jan 2012 #65

Bitter? About what? sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #149

i find this OP exemplary of the anti-lgbtiq bigotry that's allowed on DU. nt xchrom Jan 2012 #17

How is it bigotry? I ask that in all seriousness. msanthrope Jan 2012 #19

this xchrom Jan 2012 #21

But how is that bigotry? msanthrope Jan 2012 #33

perhaps you could provide a link on LGBT poll numbers taken for the president? xchrom Jan 2012 #41

He's at 82% among Democrats. And his approval rating with gays continues to rise. msanthrope Jan 2012 #47

so no specific links to lgbt people xchrom Jan 2012 #53

Substitute "black" or "a woman" in that post and see if you still think it's not offensive. girl gone mad Jan 2012 #94

+1000 G_j Jan 2012 #129

I see your point. msanthrope Jan 2012 #165

It is obvious you don't have a clue dbackjon Jun 2013 #185

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the OP even has LGB friends! nt xchrom Jan 2012 #23

No shit. Puglover Jan 2012 #26

I think that if someone is gay, they do have a vested, personal interest in the DOMA policy. msanthrope Jan 2012 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jan 2012 #38

Well, I'm not dismissing him because he's gay, but because he's unpersuasive. nt msanthrope Jan 2012 #164

And yet, no one ever accused him of being bitter when he was writing about these sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #150

I'm not the poster who used the word 'bitter.' Perhaps you could direct your msanthrope Jan 2012 #167

I directed my comment to you because you have agreed with the OP and despite all the comments sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #178

I think you should direct questions about comments to the posters who make them. msanthrope Jan 2012 #180

No, I do not. It is what it is. The OP is no longer here, and I think most questions have been sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #182

Agreed. This is disgusting. EFerrari Jan 2012 #37

He is an enemy of the State! kenny blankenship Jan 2012 #39

You are kidding but I have zero doubt that his name is on The List EFerrari Jan 2012 #48

thank you. nt xchrom Jan 2012 #43

Happy New Year, xchrom. EFerrari Jan 2012 #50

Maybe it's not just DU. Remember he was a target of HB Gary/BOA before Anonymous took them down. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #152

But a jury voted 1-5 to keep it. QC Jan 2012 #67

+1 xchrom Jan 2012 #70

Good grief. EFerrari Jan 2012 #88

But don't you dare suggest that DU has a homophobia problem! QC Jan 2012 #95

Agree with you xchrom suffragette Jan 2012 #146

Totally agreed, though this more blatant than usual. Puregonzo1188 Jan 2012 #170

Wait a second--is he actually married??? When did Brazil get same sex marriages? msanthrope Jan 2012 #18

Probably because Cameron27 Jan 2012 #60

He can do better in Massachusetts or NY State, or DC. msanthrope Jan 2012 #64

Ahhh, gotcha Cameron27 Jan 2012 #66

Brazil is a nation. NY, MA are States. The US is a nation. It does not allow gay couples Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #155

I thought Jerry Seinfeld's taking up with a teenager rather pathetic. msanthrope Jan 2012 #166

Thank you, Cameron27 Jan 2012 #176

Another OP ad hominem attack TomClash Jan 2012 #22

I didn't even think about that, great point quinnox Jan 2012 #28

You are conflating two different things-- msanthrope Jan 2012 #34

No TomClash Jan 2012 #76

Again, you are conflating prosecutorial discretion with the constitutional mandate to msanthrope Jan 2012 #81

I read and answered your post the first time nt TomClash Jan 2012 #84

Please provide some examples of cases in which MNBrewer Jan 2012 #27

Oh, that was easy-I did this one without breaking a sweat... msanthrope Jan 2012 #36

perfectly legal is debatable. MNBrewer Jan 2012 #55

Perhaps you could show us the statute you think debatable? On edit-- msanthrope Jan 2012 #61

Perhaps you could show all the behavior that led to the economic meltdown MNBrewer Jan 2012 #103

Maybe the President should read the Bi-Partisan Senate Committee's two year findings on whether or sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #153

Do you have a cite for that report? Did it reccommend certain prosecutions? msanthrope Jan 2012 #168

classic got root Jan 2012 #31

Attacking the Messenger based on his Sexual Orientation fascisthunter Jan 2012 #45

What a disgusting, fucking thread Oilwellian Jan 2012 #49

And this thread is a prime example of why the unrec is needed. PA Democrat Jan 2012 #69

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Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #96

No surprises on that list. n/t QC Jan 2012 #105

I would like to know why I was added to that list. tabatha Jan 2012 #106

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jan 2012 #111

For reasons other than you assumed. tabatha Jan 2012 #116

Reasons that you refuse to state? What are they, national security issues? Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #156

It's 17 now. And while this is thread is allowed to stand, a post calling out people who support Puregonzo1188 Jan 2012 #173

It's indeed a disgusting thread! Wind Dancer Jan 2012 #79

Anatomy Of A Glenn Greenwald Smear Job! One of the 99 Jan 2012 #51

Too bad Johnaires didn't use this analysis to make his case that Greenwald Old and In the Way Jan 2012 #183

Incoherent, just like all of the attacks against Greenwald. ronnie624 Jan 2012 #52

Greenwald feeds his own ego. MjolnirTime Jan 2012 #56

Funny that, most people do. n/t HangOnKids Jan 2012 #80

Greenwald has gotten awards from all kinds of human rights EFerrari Jan 2012 #93

I'm glad that I'm not the only DUer disgusted by this post. PA Democrat Jan 2012 #58

+1 RainDog Jan 2012 #141

My beef with Greenwald is that he is a Libertarian pretending to be a Leftist. Ikonoklast Jan 2012 #72

+100 boxman15 Jan 2012 #99

the funny thing about Greenwald... Enrique Jan 2012 #78

Oh no--as I noted above, I always thought he was an asshole-- msanthrope Jan 2012 #83

Your problems with Greenwald have been construed as anti-gay bigotry, tabatha Jan 2012 #107

I have the same question. Bobbie Jo Jan 2012 #109

I was on that jury and could not believe it when I saw my name. tabatha Jan 2012 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jan 2012 #114

Nope, only those who rush to the incorrect judgement. tabatha Jan 2012 #115

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jan 2012 #118

You don't have to. tabatha Jan 2012 #120

you were on a jury for a post that was about you? RainDog Jan 2012 #142

It was a list of people, tabatha Jan 2012 #144

you're wrong RainDog Jan 2012 #147

What reasons? If you demand to do nasty stuff for 'reasons of my own' then just Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #157

WAIT--You were on that jury and did not see the need to recuse yourself? Puregonzo1188 Jan 2012 #175

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jan 2012 #112

No, I did not recommend that sentiment. tabatha Jan 2012 #113

Well, you need to consider that that is how it will be interpreted by many- me included. PA Democrat Jan 2012 #154

Oh, yes. I've noticed. nt msanthrope Jan 2012 #172

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jan 2012 #108

HE (Greenwald) only objects to Obama policies because he's GAY--where does johnaires say that? Kolesar Jan 2012 #126

So what if I recommended a thread? Are you suggesting DUers now msanthrope Jan 2012 #171

let's not. t3 spanone Jan 2012 #86

Alternate thread title: Let's Change The Subject Away From Obama's Sell-Out Presidency brentspeak Jan 2012 #117

R#10 & K for, thanks for the research and color commentary n/t UTUSN Jan 2012 #119

All on the front page of GD right now. Do you see the futility? DeathToTheOil Jan 2012 #121

. DeathToTheOil Jan 2012 #122

"I have found out that Greenwald is Gay..." Nice hard-hitting investigative journalism. JVS Jan 2012 #124

Greenwald's beef with Obama's policies are because he is gay? really? piratefish08 Jan 2012 #127

HE (Greenwald) only objects to Obama policies because he's GAY--where does johnaires say that? Kolesar Jan 2012 #130

Right here in plain English: EFerrari Jan 2012 #131

I realize you are quoting someone else's thread, but there's factual inaccuracy in the assertion MADem Jan 2012 #132

Fun fact- Straight Couples get to make use of that process, and we don't. Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #159

I think you are trying to put words and attitudes in my mouth that I don't hold. MADem Jan 2012 #163

He is the Pepsi to his detractors Coke. Rex Jan 2012 #133

wow. fishwax Jan 2012 #134

I would like to make a suggestion RainDog Jan 2012 #135

Some of my best friends are gay! Iggo Jan 2012 #136

You're about to get burned alive. MjolnirTime Jan 2012 #139

Let's not Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2012 #140

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #143

He's Gay. He's totally gay gay gay gay. Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #145

It's a witch hunt! Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #158

Learn more here: Immigration Equality.org Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #161

Excellent. Cameron27 Jan 2012 #177

EarlG took care of this Catherina Jan 2012 #162

Thanks for that Catherina. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #179

Glad to see this update suffragette Jan 2012 #181

Are you serious? Is this a joke? This is just homophobic and deeply disgusting. Puregonzo1188 Jan 2012 #169