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84. Economics of Education Review: The impact of legacy status ...

Sat Dec 8, 2018, 09:31 PM

Dec 2018

I find I am still pondering all this legacy information. What a charmed life for those who are legacies - even if they drop out of school, the media and others, it seems, will make it appear the drop-out succeeds. People like GH Bush never have to worry about how they will finish school, if they have enough money to go to school, or applying for a job with strangers, or getting a job, or delaying marriage or delaying having children for economic reasons. Everything is just provided, thanks to friends and family: admission, money, jobs, etc.

Meanwhile, there are more young adults today than ever before returning home to live with parents and struggling to pay for college. Such different worlds.

Here is a journal article I haven't read but the findings look interesting, concerning legacy admissions:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0272775710001676

Economics of Education Review
Volume 30, Issue 3, June 2011, Pages 480-492
Economics of Education Review
The impact of legacy status on undergraduate admissions at elite colleges and universities
Author links open overlay panelMichaelHurwitz
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.econedurev.2010.12.002Get rights and content

Abstract

In this paper, I examine the impact of legacy status on admissions decisions at 30 highly selective colleges and universities. ...

Research highlights

▶ Legacy status increases the odds of admissions. ▶ Traditional analytic techniques underestimate the true impact of legacy status. ▶ The legacy admissions advantage is found across the student ability spectrum. ▶ The legacy admissions advantage occurs in colleges of varying selectivity. ▶ The legacy admissions advantage is further enhanced through early admissions programs.

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Also, this opinion piece about legacy, published in the Washington Post, is quite interesting:

Ending legacy admissions is the right thing to do. But for black alums, it stings.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/08/06/aaa7db6e-968d-11e8-80e1-00e80e1fdf43_story.html?utm_term=.9729e1f0ba93

Written by a black woman who made it into Harvard, she is reluctant to see legacy ever ending since now:
the legacy system would someday benefit her son.

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I can't help but conclude: GH Bush really had a charmed life. In my opinion, he was a legacy who failed school - but was propped up to the appearance of success, because the legacy system encompasses a whole lot more than just admission.

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Two Things I Will Remember GH Bush for: 1) his Eternal Hoax on the Public and 2) how he conceals it [View all] anobserver2 Dec 2018 OP

Thank you DU anobserver2 Dec 2018 #1

And that only touches the many scandals of that family mithnanthy Dec 2018 #4

Neil Bush's Banking Crimes Have Been Swept Under the Rug dlk Dec 2018 #30

Am frankly getting of these posts. secondwind Dec 2018 #5

I know! Even the MSM has moved on! nt UniteFightBack Dec 2018 #23

Freeedom of Thought anobserver2 Dec 2018 #65

Here are links I will add when I have more time anobserver2 Dec 2018 #66

Source for this? Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2018 #2

Yes, I'd be interested in the source for this, as well. MousePlayingDaffodil Dec 2018 #3

And people will believe it because someone made it an op. Tipperary Dec 2018 #6

Very. nt Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2018 #8

There is none Docreed2003 Dec 2018 #12

Of course it is... Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2018 #18

The OP is also extremely sexist obamanut2012 Dec 2018 #24

Indeed. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2018 #29

Reminds me of the kooky "where was he the day JFK got shot" posts. BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #50

Couldn't have said it better myself Docreed2003 Dec 2018 #51

THere is none p-- it's false obamanut2012 Dec 2018 #22

... shanny Dec 2018 #76

Thanks; I corrected it anobserver2 Dec 2018 #78

Well, here's another piece of info for someone to research. Baitball Blogger Dec 2018 #7

Sounds like research you could do on your own. stopbush Dec 2018 #9

Because google is my best source, Baitball Blogger Dec 2018 #10

OR...your dad was being creative. stopbush Dec 2018 #11

It's not even a CT. Baitball Blogger Dec 2018 #13

The question is: what rumors are worthy of pursuit? stopbush Dec 2018 #15

There you go. Nothing is gained if you don't ask the question. Baitball Blogger Dec 2018 #16

I hated that Columbo "one more thing" schtick. stopbush Dec 2018 #17

Proving that different biographers can describe totally different people. McCamy Taylor Dec 2018 #14

"spoiled his kids"? shanny Dec 2018 #77

Im surprised that the CIA missed the Yale fraud fescuerescue Dec 2018 #19

Because it isn't true n/t obamanut2012 Dec 2018 #25

Well ;) fescuerescue Dec 2018 #26

Sorry! obamanut2012 Dec 2018 #36

Maybe you do not really know how a CIA Director is hired anobserver2 Dec 2018 #69

no thats not it. fescuerescue Dec 2018 #70

Well, 3 points I would say you should perhaps consider anobserver2 Dec 2018 #71

The 3rd point - practical matters: Hard to "un-do" what an elected official has done anobserver2 Dec 2018 #73

Transparency in elections - more can be done anobserver2 Dec 2018 #74

From July 2015: "Exclusive: Why Doesn't Jeb Want to Talk About Lehman Bros?" anobserver2 Dec 2018 #79

From the Daily Beast: "Jeb Bush's Big Lehman Brothers Problem" anobserver2 Dec 2018 #80

About " legacy " admissions to private universities in the US anobserver2 Dec 2018 #83

Economics of Education Review: The impact of legacy status ... anobserver2 Dec 2018 #84

Re Senate anobserver2 Dec 2018 #86

Read this chapter in the book "Conning Harvard" by Julie Zauzmer anobserver2 Dec 2018 #87

Another good read: Carl Bernstein's 1977 Rolling Stone article on CIA and the Media and Senate anobserver2 Dec 2018 #88

Motive: Can't go into the private sector and risk being exposed; so - cash in at the public sector anobserver2 Dec 2018 #89

A Dec 2015 DU thread on Jeb Bush and his college career - and how media reports it anobserver2 Dec 2018 #90

See what is happening now with this ACLU lawsuit against CIA anobserver2 Dec 2018 #91

Maybe it is considered "free speech" by the CIA anobserver2 Jan 2019 #92

Journalists should help educate voters, too anobserver2 Jan 2019 #93

In fact, journalists should also quote FERPA federal law when reporting politicians' alleged degrees anobserver2 Jan 2019 #95

From the National Ethics Association anobserver2 Jan 2019 #96

What happened to me anobserver2 Jan 2019 #94

I'd like to see the Supreme Court discuss other questions, too, since: elections have consequences anobserver2 Jan 2019 #97

I will remember him most for denying that atheists are deserving of American citizenship Goodheart Dec 2018 #20

"... a girl's college, Smith..." obamanut2012 Dec 2018 #21

I changed it to "women's" anobserver2 Dec 2018 #27

You should delete this OP. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2018 #32

this op is ridiculous obamanut2012 Dec 2018 #35

Three things obamanut2012 Dec 2018 #33

Yes. Tipperary Dec 2018 #40

You should delete this. tammywammy Dec 2018 #39

You have to address the specific degree program - economics anobserver2 Dec 2018 #42

And yet you have absolutely no proof. tammywammy Dec 2018 #48

Any determined student can get a BA in 3 years. hexola Dec 2018 #67

Thank you! ellie Dec 2018 #28

It's not true. The OP is full of it... nt Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2018 #31

the OP is not true obamanut2012 Dec 2018 #34

Recommended. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #37

You're recommending an OP that is patently false? Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2018 #56

Feel free to refute it. eom guillaumeb Dec 2018 #58

Here's my refutation. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2018 #59

The first sentence: guillaumeb Dec 2018 #60

Added WAY after he made the OP. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2018 #61

What's the proof of your assertion rusty fender Dec 2018 #38

I think he did not. Tipperary Dec 2018 #41

What's the proof of your assertion anobserver2 Dec 2018 #43

You made the claim. It's up to you to prove that Bush didn't graduate. Kaleva Dec 2018 #45

Ever hear of analysis or opinion? anobserver2 Dec 2018 #46

Which economists did you talk to? How do we know they are "real"? Kaleva Dec 2018 #47

Sources? Alsteen Dec 2018 #54

How about giving the names of these real people you claim to have interviewed. WillowTree Dec 2018 #62

I never asserted that he graduated rusty fender Dec 2018 #53

Thank you to all those who recommended my opinion piece here anobserver2 Dec 2018 #44

Your self aggrandizement is appalling. stopbush Dec 2018 #52

You ARE the lies. Delete your OP. nt Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2018 #55

This has really damaged your credibility with a lot of DUers. Just read the read the responses. WillowTree Dec 2018 #63

Reads like an unsourced crockpot full of hooey to me BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #49

This is made up disinformation Raine Dec 2018 #57

Thanks again to all those who recommended my opinion piece here anobserver2 Dec 2018 #64

This is not an opinion piece! hexola Dec 2018 #68

Welcome to ignore Blecht Dec 2018 #72

lol, my favorite part of this thread is OP's "woe is me" shtick. tritsofme Dec 2018 #75

Yale says he graduated in 1948. former9thward Dec 2018 #81

From The Journal of Business Ethics 2004: "Small lies, big trouble..." anobserver2 Dec 2018 #82

This all reminds me of "The Emperor's New Clothes" by Hans Christian Andersen anobserver2 Dec 2018 #85