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Perseus

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4. Start by getting rid of the "Electoral College"

Reply to MousePlayingDaffodil (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 9, 2018, 10:01 AM

Dec 2018

That would be step #1.

The "opinion" that a sitting president cannot be indicted, although not in the constitution, reason why it is not a law, just an opinion, but that should become part of the constitution whereas if enough proof of wrongdoing by a sitting president, all tools within the law must be enforced, that includes indictment, incarceration, impeachment, and all punishment related to treason, if that were the case.

In case of a fraudulent win to the presidency, which is what we have today, the entire administration must be dismissed, and the "runner up" (Hillary Clinton in this scenario) should take hold of the presidency, and a new administration should be put in place. Why should Pence, for example, take over the presidency when he is part of the fraud? Even if he has done nothing wrong, which I doubt, he is still part of the "gang", per say, and should not be rewarded.

I think that would be a good start.

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If a 'president' cheats to win an election...he's not a legitimate president. [View all] spanone Dec 2018 OP

Some other countries are not so crippled with an outdated Constitution BSdetect Dec 2018 #1

What do you mean . . . MousePlayingDaffodil Dec 2018 #2

Start by getting rid of the "Electoral College" Perseus Dec 2018 #4

That will never happen. Thus already, you have put up a mechanism doomed to failure. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #9

Agree ....and... ewagner Dec 2018 #14

Yes! justie18 Dec 2018 #10

The Republicans would never allow it MurrayDelph Dec 2018 #31

That would defeat the purpose of the electoral college, which is a vestige of slavery and... Garrett78 Dec 2018 #34

That would be nice fescuerescue Dec 2018 #97

Outdated might be the wrong term, but the Senate was designed to protect slaveholders... rwsanders Dec 2018 #87

It is wishful thinking to believe anyone in power WANTS to fix this system... Moostache Dec 2018 #103

I agree, but there impeachment in the house and conviction in the Senate is the remedy. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #3

Impeachment is dangerous if Pence is not taken out Perseus Dec 2018 #5

Trump is way more dangerous and is selling the presidency. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #8

Pence was put in the VP seat by Manifort who is eyeball deep into russia elmac Dec 2018 #32

This. Pence is a Russian horse, as opposed to a Trojan one. Trust the process. nt Baltimike Dec 2018 #104

Yeah re punce not fooled Dec 2018 #25

The problem is that the people whose job it is to deal with this situation... Girard442 Dec 2018 #6

Bingo !!! Ding, Ding Ding! That's LittleGirl Dec 2018 #23

Boom. The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #101

Prove it. Period. Then use the Constitution to change it. Period. elocs Dec 2018 #7

A Democrat would have been out on his ear in month one. tavernier Dec 2018 #13

This logic assumes the GOP cares about and follows precedent AndJusticeForSome Dec 2018 #71

My logic is simple and sound. elocs Dec 2018 #76

And his executive orders, judicial appointments, and Cabinet are illegitimate too AllyCat Dec 2018 #11

Agree! eom LittleGirl Dec 2018 #24

Which is why we have impeachment. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2018 #12

He is NOT legitimate. His whole bastard-pResidency is NOT legitimate. calimary Dec 2018 #15

That's not how the law works. (n/t) Iggo Dec 2018 #16

+1 Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #17

EITHER is his VICE PRESIDENT!!! usaf-vet Dec 2018 #18

They all must go, they all must pay The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #21

Damn. Please edit your post. You lose credibility when you misuse words to make your point. n/t. Eyeball_Kid Dec 2018 #33

+1 nt Codeine Dec 2018 #59

Every VA benefit paid out, every military paycheck - all are invalid jberryhill Dec 2018 #105

What makes you think we would not tolerate it in another country? thesquanderer Dec 2018 #19

Boy are you ill informed. He stole the electoral college by the Russians interfering in usaf-vet Dec 2018 #35

Wondering if there any way individual states could demand a do-over in such situations? JudyM Dec 2018 #84

Good question. I know the newly elected AG is exploring all options. usaf-vet Dec 2018 #92

Electors are not necessarily legally bound to follow the popular vote. But it doesn't matter... thesquanderer Dec 2018 #94

You're damn right The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #20

i wish they would focus on the issue of illegitimacy of this DOTUS, which would then onetexan Dec 2018 #28

For now I have trust in Nancy to do the right thing The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #29

spot on, i trust Nancy is our best candidate for Speaker. But i'm not sure she will bring up onetexan Dec 2018 #30

You are quite right! True Blue American Dec 2018 #91

I agree duforsure Dec 2018 #22

I'm reading some of the comments on this thread The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #26

How do you propose removing Trump from office then? Kaleva Dec 2018 #37

I'll put it this way, since I'm tired of being labeled "kooky" and "extreme" by DU The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #38

Military overthrow? Kaleva Dec 2018 #40

Not at all. The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #42

and what I mean by "Not to mention one can not obtain power in any system with the backing of the.. The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #43

Wrong, Wrong, and Wrong. Iggo Dec 2018 #44

You are entitled to believe what you like The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #46

I tend to go with the truth. Belief's got nothing to do with it. Iggo Dec 2018 #47

Where are you going to live, then? onenote Dec 2018 #83

I was kinda counting on crashing on your living room couch The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #85

You wouldn't like it. It's a reality couch. onenote Dec 2018 #86

Well said! When the constitution does not support my argument hughee99 Dec 2018 #88

The whole of Human history shows us that no law and no one is sacrosanct. DRoseDARs Dec 2018 #89

As frustrating as it is, there's no undoing or reversing what was done. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #90

I see it the same way as you The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #95

I don't think any of us really view him as legit. But there's no mechanism for undoing what's done. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #96

On this I disagree with you The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #99

What specifically do you suggest be done to undo the Trump presidency? Garrett78 Dec 2018 #106

So who is first in line to explain that to the secret service? fescuerescue Dec 2018 #98

Unfortunately that would be a useless manner to proceed. The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #100

KnR eom LittleGirl Dec 2018 #27

If the Electoral College votes for him, then he's the president DavidDvorkin Dec 2018 #36

Not to be disrespectful in the slightest bit The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #39

You can reject that way of thinking, but you can't reject reality DavidDvorkin Dec 2018 #48

Ad hom attacks are a logical fallacy The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #50

That was not ad hominem DavidDvorkin Dec 2018 #65

haters gonna hate The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #67

Saying that your argument is invalid makes me a hater? DavidDvorkin Dec 2018 #69

Invalids gonna invalidate. Codeine Dec 2018 #70

No, using ad hom attacks makes one a hater The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #72

YES!!! And the shruggy shoulders "there is nothing to be done"ers and/or the Baltimike Dec 2018 #41

There are some things to be done. But acting like he ain't really president isn't one of 'em. Iggo Dec 2018 #45

Right. DavidDvorkin Dec 2018 #49

who's acting like he isn't president? Baltimike Dec 2018 #52

It's the point of this entire thread. Iggo Dec 2018 #54

Nope. Baltimike Dec 2018 #102

It is. Iggo Dec 2018 #107

Oooh, I'm an enemy now! Codeine Dec 2018 #51

There you go again...stalk much? Baltimike Dec 2018 #53

Lol! Stalking? You flatter yourself, sir. Codeine Dec 2018 #57

And if he's not an legitimate president, as holders of the House of Representatives in the US, ... SWBTATTReg Dec 2018 #55

The irony about this is that he probably really didn't need to pay off any women at all. ginnyinWI Dec 2018 #56

Outside of a coup, what is the legal and Constitutional method elocs Dec 2018 #58

. Iggo Dec 2018 #60

I don't think people understand the follow-on effect Codeine Dec 2018 #61

Well DU is the place to come if you are looking for fantasies, elocs Dec 2018 #63

I say pretending he actually won the election legally is fantasy. The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #74

The "election" happens in the Electoral College. Codeine Dec 2018 #75

I'm perfectly clear on how the electoral college works The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #78

*sigh* sarisataka Dec 2018 #62

Forget it, Jake -- it's Chinatown. nt Codeine Dec 2018 #66

While your topic statement is correct... Caliman73 Dec 2018 #64

Hell yes! Absolutely, positively, 100% right! Enough of this "discussion" Atticus Dec 2018 #68

Come on, this is silly PJMcK Dec 2018 #73

Well, quite frankly, some of us believe that that system you described The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #79

I understand your opinion PJMcK Dec 2018 #80

I do accept your viewpoint as valid The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #81

It wouldn't be tolerated in, say, a poker tournament or beauty pageant. But... Garrett78 Dec 2018 #77

Lock him up malaise Dec 2018 #82

Agree Meowmee Dec 2018 #93

We start by delegitimizing his VOTERS. That includes ALL republicans. Access Geek Dec 2018 #108

YES! Lurker Deluxe Dec 2018 #109

And what's wrong with that? Access Geek Dec 2018 #110