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rwsanders

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87. Outdated might be the wrong term, but the Senate was designed to protect slaveholders...

Reply to MousePlayingDaffodil (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 9, 2018, 09:08 PM

Dec 2018

As was the electoral college. The "founding fathers" themselves stated the Constitution was to prevent an "excess of democracy".
Thus we have a flawed republic that was really designed to help the wealthy.

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/american-history-for-truthdiggers-flowering-or-excess-of-democracy-the-1780s/
https://www.truthdig.com/articles/american-history-for-truthdiggers-counterrevolution-of-1787-new-constitution-new-nation/

Sad thing is that a fix is not feasible in the current political environment.

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If a 'president' cheats to win an election...he's not a legitimate president. [View all] spanone Dec 2018 OP

Some other countries are not so crippled with an outdated Constitution BSdetect Dec 2018 #1

What do you mean . . . MousePlayingDaffodil Dec 2018 #2

Start by getting rid of the "Electoral College" Perseus Dec 2018 #4

That will never happen. Thus already, you have put up a mechanism doomed to failure. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #9

Agree ....and... ewagner Dec 2018 #14

Yes! justie18 Dec 2018 #10

The Republicans would never allow it MurrayDelph Dec 2018 #31

That would defeat the purpose of the electoral college, which is a vestige of slavery and... Garrett78 Dec 2018 #34

That would be nice fescuerescue Dec 2018 #97

Outdated might be the wrong term, but the Senate was designed to protect slaveholders... rwsanders Dec 2018 #87

It is wishful thinking to believe anyone in power WANTS to fix this system... Moostache Dec 2018 #103

I agree, but there impeachment in the house and conviction in the Senate is the remedy. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #3

Impeachment is dangerous if Pence is not taken out Perseus Dec 2018 #5

Trump is way more dangerous and is selling the presidency. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #8

Pence was put in the VP seat by Manifort who is eyeball deep into russia elmac Dec 2018 #32

This. Pence is a Russian horse, as opposed to a Trojan one. Trust the process. nt Baltimike Dec 2018 #104

Yeah re punce not fooled Dec 2018 #25

The problem is that the people whose job it is to deal with this situation... Girard442 Dec 2018 #6

Bingo !!! Ding, Ding Ding! That's LittleGirl Dec 2018 #23

Boom. The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #101

Prove it. Period. Then use the Constitution to change it. Period. elocs Dec 2018 #7

A Democrat would have been out on his ear in month one. tavernier Dec 2018 #13

This logic assumes the GOP cares about and follows precedent AndJusticeForSome Dec 2018 #71

My logic is simple and sound. elocs Dec 2018 #76

And his executive orders, judicial appointments, and Cabinet are illegitimate too AllyCat Dec 2018 #11

Agree! eom LittleGirl Dec 2018 #24

Which is why we have impeachment. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2018 #12

He is NOT legitimate. His whole bastard-pResidency is NOT legitimate. calimary Dec 2018 #15

That's not how the law works. (n/t) Iggo Dec 2018 #16

+1 Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #17

EITHER is his VICE PRESIDENT!!! usaf-vet Dec 2018 #18

They all must go, they all must pay The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #21

Damn. Please edit your post. You lose credibility when you misuse words to make your point. n/t. Eyeball_Kid Dec 2018 #33

+1 nt Codeine Dec 2018 #59

Every VA benefit paid out, every military paycheck - all are invalid jberryhill Dec 2018 #105

What makes you think we would not tolerate it in another country? thesquanderer Dec 2018 #19

Boy are you ill informed. He stole the electoral college by the Russians interfering in usaf-vet Dec 2018 #35

Wondering if there any way individual states could demand a do-over in such situations? JudyM Dec 2018 #84

Good question. I know the newly elected AG is exploring all options. usaf-vet Dec 2018 #92

Electors are not necessarily legally bound to follow the popular vote. But it doesn't matter... thesquanderer Dec 2018 #94

You're damn right The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #20

i wish they would focus on the issue of illegitimacy of this DOTUS, which would then onetexan Dec 2018 #28

For now I have trust in Nancy to do the right thing The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #29

spot on, i trust Nancy is our best candidate for Speaker. But i'm not sure she will bring up onetexan Dec 2018 #30

You are quite right! True Blue American Dec 2018 #91

I agree duforsure Dec 2018 #22

I'm reading some of the comments on this thread The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #26

How do you propose removing Trump from office then? Kaleva Dec 2018 #37

I'll put it this way, since I'm tired of being labeled "kooky" and "extreme" by DU The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #38

Military overthrow? Kaleva Dec 2018 #40

Not at all. The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #42

and what I mean by "Not to mention one can not obtain power in any system with the backing of the.. The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #43

Wrong, Wrong, and Wrong. Iggo Dec 2018 #44

You are entitled to believe what you like The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #46

I tend to go with the truth. Belief's got nothing to do with it. Iggo Dec 2018 #47

Where are you going to live, then? onenote Dec 2018 #83

I was kinda counting on crashing on your living room couch The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #85

You wouldn't like it. It's a reality couch. onenote Dec 2018 #86

Well said! When the constitution does not support my argument hughee99 Dec 2018 #88

The whole of Human history shows us that no law and no one is sacrosanct. DRoseDARs Dec 2018 #89

As frustrating as it is, there's no undoing or reversing what was done. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #90

I see it the same way as you The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #95

I don't think any of us really view him as legit. But there's no mechanism for undoing what's done. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #96

On this I disagree with you The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #99

What specifically do you suggest be done to undo the Trump presidency? Garrett78 Dec 2018 #106

So who is first in line to explain that to the secret service? fescuerescue Dec 2018 #98

Unfortunately that would be a useless manner to proceed. The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #100

KnR eom LittleGirl Dec 2018 #27

If the Electoral College votes for him, then he's the president DavidDvorkin Dec 2018 #36

Not to be disrespectful in the slightest bit The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #39

You can reject that way of thinking, but you can't reject reality DavidDvorkin Dec 2018 #48

Ad hom attacks are a logical fallacy The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #50

That was not ad hominem DavidDvorkin Dec 2018 #65

haters gonna hate The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #67

Saying that your argument is invalid makes me a hater? DavidDvorkin Dec 2018 #69

Invalids gonna invalidate. Codeine Dec 2018 #70

No, using ad hom attacks makes one a hater The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #72

YES!!! And the shruggy shoulders "there is nothing to be done"ers and/or the Baltimike Dec 2018 #41

There are some things to be done. But acting like he ain't really president isn't one of 'em. Iggo Dec 2018 #45

Right. DavidDvorkin Dec 2018 #49

who's acting like he isn't president? Baltimike Dec 2018 #52

It's the point of this entire thread. Iggo Dec 2018 #54

Nope. Baltimike Dec 2018 #102

It is. Iggo Dec 2018 #107

Oooh, I'm an enemy now! Codeine Dec 2018 #51

There you go again...stalk much? Baltimike Dec 2018 #53

Lol! Stalking? You flatter yourself, sir. Codeine Dec 2018 #57

And if he's not an legitimate president, as holders of the House of Representatives in the US, ... SWBTATTReg Dec 2018 #55

The irony about this is that he probably really didn't need to pay off any women at all. ginnyinWI Dec 2018 #56

Outside of a coup, what is the legal and Constitutional method elocs Dec 2018 #58

. Iggo Dec 2018 #60

I don't think people understand the follow-on effect Codeine Dec 2018 #61

Well DU is the place to come if you are looking for fantasies, elocs Dec 2018 #63

I say pretending he actually won the election legally is fantasy. The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #74

The "election" happens in the Electoral College. Codeine Dec 2018 #75

I'm perfectly clear on how the electoral college works The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #78

*sigh* sarisataka Dec 2018 #62

Forget it, Jake -- it's Chinatown. nt Codeine Dec 2018 #66

While your topic statement is correct... Caliman73 Dec 2018 #64

Hell yes! Absolutely, positively, 100% right! Enough of this "discussion" Atticus Dec 2018 #68

Come on, this is silly PJMcK Dec 2018 #73

Well, quite frankly, some of us believe that that system you described The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #79

I understand your opinion PJMcK Dec 2018 #80

I do accept your viewpoint as valid The Liberal Lion Dec 2018 #81

It wouldn't be tolerated in, say, a poker tournament or beauty pageant. But... Garrett78 Dec 2018 #77

Lock him up malaise Dec 2018 #82

Agree Meowmee Dec 2018 #93

We start by delegitimizing his VOTERS. That includes ALL republicans. Access Geek Dec 2018 #108

YES! Lurker Deluxe Dec 2018 #109

And what's wrong with that? Access Geek Dec 2018 #110