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zipplewrath

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36. Andrew Jackson?

Reply to Haggis for Breakfast (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 10, 2018, 09:41 AM

Dec 2018

I'm a bit on your side on this, but I do think that Jackson might be pretty close.

I do think we are in a big pickle. We have monkeyed with the original system so much that it no longer achieves what it was designed to achieve. The EC was supposed to prevent Trumps, not enable them. 2 senators was so that small states would have outsized influence, not so a small minority (15%) could run the senate. Direct elections of both Electors and Senators was never in the original system. Oh, and Corporations were never supposed to be "people". So much for "originalism".

And by the by, the original authors wanted the AG to be a separate elected position, but could never figure out how to disconnect that from the problem of an AG going after the president. But it was presumed that an appointed AG would not be a toady for the president because the senate and congress wouldn't allow it.

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I don't think it would be a civil war marylandblue Dec 2018 #1

you are probably right Guppy Dec 2018 #2

Probably like Yugoslavia. roamer65 Dec 2018 #18

It is corrupt.. CentralMass Dec 2018 #3

The actual system Guppy Dec 2018 #4

You might be right but every generation says this at some point and we have only had one Civil War. Squinch Dec 2018 #5

We have NEVER been where we are right now. Haggis for Breakfast Dec 2018 #7

I understand that. Of course this has never happened before. But we have had Squinch Dec 2018 #11

We have NEVER had a president like donald trump before. Haggis for Breakfast Dec 2018 #12

we have governors and other elected officials JI7 Dec 2018 #19

Governors and other elected officials DO NOT the HIGHEST OFFICE IN THE COUNTRY. Haggis for Breakfast Dec 2018 #20

Sigh. Yes, I understand we haven't. I never said we did. Squinch Dec 2018 #21

We had slave holder presidents; we had lawless Andrew Jackson; we had a Great Depression delisen Dec 2018 #27

nt bdamomma Dec 2018 #32

Andrew Jackson? zipplewrath Dec 2018 #36

Yes yes yes. You are absolutely correct. Maven Dec 2018 #6

This has been true for a long time, but it's most certainly getting worse. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #8

Michigan's Proposal 2 is now law. roamer65 Dec 2018 #17

I would like to see the alternative jberryhill Dec 2018 #9

An amendment is not possible precisely because of this tyranny of the minority system. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #14

Then please answer the two questions jberryhill Dec 2018 #29

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The fact that The District has not been granted statehood Haggis for Breakfast Dec 2018 #13

Constitutional? jberryhill Dec 2018 #30

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It's actually significantly stronger then it is in most countries. The assault on the system of OnDoutside Dec 2018 #22

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The electoral college has been broken forever. Guppy Dec 2018 #24

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The electoral college Guppy Dec 2018 #26

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Really? Guppy Dec 2018 #34

compared to the Civil War or all the system shocks I listed? delisen Dec 2018 #35

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The frog in the water zipplewrath Dec 2018 #39

concise op and to the point. harumph Dec 2018 #40