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Gothmog

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52. The savings identified in the amusing study in the OP are societal savings and not tax revenues

Mon Dec 10, 2018, 10:41 AM

Dec 2018

The OP describes savings that society may realize if the aggressive assumptions in the study are accurate (and that is not likely) and these savings will not result in additional tax revenues. sanders has utterly failed to get his magical plan adopted in any state including Vermont because sanders will not say how he will pay for this program and cite sad but amusing studies promising societal savings.

In the real world, a government cannot spend societal savings. Governments are limited to spending tax revenues and borrowings. I would love to see how sanders would pay for this program

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Medicare for All could save the country $5.1 trillion over ten years [View all] Muskiteer Dec 2018 OP

hubby was hoping HRC would get this going so he coud retire early... samnsara Dec 2018 #1

Bernie was the one pushing the idea for the very reason stated... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #3

Then why has sanders not gotten this magic plan adopted in Vermont Gothmog Dec 2018 #26

Where is all the hate for single payer coming from? hueymahl Dec 2018 #55

I live in the real world and the study cited in OP is essentially worthless Gothmog Dec 2018 #65

This couldn't happen soon enough. BigmanPigman Dec 2018 #2

The majority of Americans are for this. ZX86 Dec 2018 #4

Everyone in Washington is being paid off to keep the status quo. Poiuyt Dec 2018 #6

If your entire industry would pretty much evaporate overnight, wouldn't you lobby against it? n/t SFnomad Dec 2018 #9

True. But Congress should be doing what's best for the entire country Poiuyt Dec 2018 #10

I didn't say I didn't want to see it done SFnomad Dec 2018 #12

so? Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #14

Ah ... the I've got mine, I don't care about you ... type response SFnomad Dec 2018 #18

nope Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #19

not nope ... yep SFnomad Dec 2018 #20

45,000 Americans die annually due to lack of health coverage. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2018 #21

And that doesn't change the fact that we'll need to do something for the people SFnomad Dec 2018 #22

Some of your concerns area51 Dec 2018 #38

Thank you for the link ... I'll read through more of it later SFnomad Dec 2018 #40

See post #42 as to what jumped out at me. TexasTowelie Dec 2018 #44

Where will you get 60 votes in the Senate to pass this program? Gothmog Dec 2018 #28

Of course you are right, it is hard hueymahl Dec 2018 #56

Trying is the first step to failure. ZX86 Dec 2018 #67

How wil this program be paid for? Gothmog Dec 2018 #27

The exact same way we pay for war, tax cuts for the rich, oil companies subsidies, etc. ZX86 Dec 2018 #66

Where is the Democratic Senate supermajority treestar Dec 2018 #54

You need Democrats to advocate and campaign on Medicare for All first. ZX86 Dec 2018 #68

What are we going to do with all those laid-off insurance execs and middlemen? erronis Dec 2018 #5

Try telling the majority of Americans that get their healthcare from their employer GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #7

We know exactly what it will cost and how it will be paid for. Muskiteer Dec 2018 #15

Care to post a link? GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #24

The study cited in the OP does not identify anyway to pay for this plan Gothmog Dec 2018 #30

Of course it doesn't. GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #31

This study uses some aggressive assumptions to claim large societal savings Gothmog Dec 2018 #32

Societal savings are worth spit to most Americans budget. GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #36

Then how will one pay for this program? Gothmog Dec 2018 #29

No one is saying we are going to "trash" employer health care hueymahl Dec 2018 #57

Another taxcut for the rich in the offing. Turbineguy Dec 2018 #8

How would that be different from the ACA with a Hortensis Dec 2018 #11

The current Medicare policy needs huge improvements. Muskiteer Dec 2018 #16

You pay a monthly premium for Part A? That's unusual. WillowTree Dec 2018 #23

I'll give you several really good reason hueymahl Dec 2018 #58

This is worth a lot of threads. Here's one from a few days ago with people on both sides, or Hoyt Dec 2018 #13

Medicare for All: Leaving No One Behind Muskiteer Dec 2018 #17

Societal savings are not tax revenues and this study does not show how to pay for this plan Gothmog Dec 2018 #25

What part of "overall burden of health spending would probably fall" dpibel Dec 2018 #34

What taxes do you propose? Gothmog Dec 2018 #37

You. Use. The. Money. That's. Already. Being. Spent. dpibel Dec 2018 #41

Let's say your monthly power bill leaps from $50/mo to $250/mo. ucrdem Dec 2018 #49

Societal savings are not tax revenues Gothmog Dec 2018 #51

Really, you used to be a college debater? hueymahl Dec 2018 #59

I am also an attorney and an inactive CPA Gothmog Dec 2018 #62

I understand your point. I don't agree, but I recognize it is an issue. hueymahl Dec 2018 #63

A public option is doable in the real world Gothmog Dec 2018 #64

How dare you bring facts into an internet discussion! GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #35

Don't remind everyone, elleng Dec 2018 #33

PNHP area51 Dec 2018 #39

One area of potential abuse that I see in that link: TexasTowelie Dec 2018 #42

That is amazingly cynical dpibel Dec 2018 #45

Okay then, what do you believe will be done to control costs? TexasTowelie Dec 2018 #46

I think this is not a unique situation dpibel Dec 2018 #47

The per capita costs are lower in other countries than in America TexasTowelie Dec 2018 #48

How will this work in the real world Gothmog Dec 2018 #53

A single risk pool equals a health care system. Multiple risk pools equal Ron Green Dec 2018 #43

"Medicare for All could save the country $5.1 trillion over ten years" enid602 Dec 2018 #50

The savings identified in the amusing study in the OP are societal savings and not tax revenues Gothmog Dec 2018 #52

Tax enid602 Dec 2018 #60

Democrats do not control the Senate and trump would veto any attempt to undo this bill Gothmog Dec 2018 #61

Unbelievable. NurseJackie Dec 2018 #69

The sanders plan relies on tax increases to pay for it Gothmog Dec 2018 #70