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hueymahl

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56. Of course you are right, it is hard

Reply to Gothmog (Reply #28)

Mon Dec 10, 2018, 11:03 AM

Dec 2018

And nothing hard is ever worth fighting for.

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Medicare for All could save the country $5.1 trillion over ten years [View all] Muskiteer Dec 2018 OP

hubby was hoping HRC would get this going so he coud retire early... samnsara Dec 2018 #1

Bernie was the one pushing the idea for the very reason stated... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #3

Then why has sanders not gotten this magic plan adopted in Vermont Gothmog Dec 2018 #26

Where is all the hate for single payer coming from? hueymahl Dec 2018 #55

I live in the real world and the study cited in OP is essentially worthless Gothmog Dec 2018 #65

This couldn't happen soon enough. BigmanPigman Dec 2018 #2

The majority of Americans are for this. ZX86 Dec 2018 #4

Everyone in Washington is being paid off to keep the status quo. Poiuyt Dec 2018 #6

If your entire industry would pretty much evaporate overnight, wouldn't you lobby against it? n/t SFnomad Dec 2018 #9

True. But Congress should be doing what's best for the entire country Poiuyt Dec 2018 #10

I didn't say I didn't want to see it done SFnomad Dec 2018 #12

so? Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #14

Ah ... the I've got mine, I don't care about you ... type response SFnomad Dec 2018 #18

nope Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #19

not nope ... yep SFnomad Dec 2018 #20

45,000 Americans die annually due to lack of health coverage. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2018 #21

And that doesn't change the fact that we'll need to do something for the people SFnomad Dec 2018 #22

Some of your concerns area51 Dec 2018 #38

Thank you for the link ... I'll read through more of it later SFnomad Dec 2018 #40

See post #42 as to what jumped out at me. TexasTowelie Dec 2018 #44

Where will you get 60 votes in the Senate to pass this program? Gothmog Dec 2018 #28

Of course you are right, it is hard hueymahl Dec 2018 #56

Trying is the first step to failure. ZX86 Dec 2018 #67

How wil this program be paid for? Gothmog Dec 2018 #27

The exact same way we pay for war, tax cuts for the rich, oil companies subsidies, etc. ZX86 Dec 2018 #66

Where is the Democratic Senate supermajority treestar Dec 2018 #54

You need Democrats to advocate and campaign on Medicare for All first. ZX86 Dec 2018 #68

What are we going to do with all those laid-off insurance execs and middlemen? erronis Dec 2018 #5

Try telling the majority of Americans that get their healthcare from their employer GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #7

We know exactly what it will cost and how it will be paid for. Muskiteer Dec 2018 #15

Care to post a link? GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #24

The study cited in the OP does not identify anyway to pay for this plan Gothmog Dec 2018 #30

Of course it doesn't. GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #31

This study uses some aggressive assumptions to claim large societal savings Gothmog Dec 2018 #32

Societal savings are worth spit to most Americans budget. GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #36

Then how will one pay for this program? Gothmog Dec 2018 #29

No one is saying we are going to "trash" employer health care hueymahl Dec 2018 #57

Another taxcut for the rich in the offing. Turbineguy Dec 2018 #8

How would that be different from the ACA with a Hortensis Dec 2018 #11

The current Medicare policy needs huge improvements. Muskiteer Dec 2018 #16

You pay a monthly premium for Part A? That's unusual. WillowTree Dec 2018 #23

I'll give you several really good reason hueymahl Dec 2018 #58

This is worth a lot of threads. Here's one from a few days ago with people on both sides, or Hoyt Dec 2018 #13

Medicare for All: Leaving No One Behind Muskiteer Dec 2018 #17

Societal savings are not tax revenues and this study does not show how to pay for this plan Gothmog Dec 2018 #25

What part of "overall burden of health spending would probably fall" dpibel Dec 2018 #34

What taxes do you propose? Gothmog Dec 2018 #37

You. Use. The. Money. That's. Already. Being. Spent. dpibel Dec 2018 #41

Let's say your monthly power bill leaps from $50/mo to $250/mo. ucrdem Dec 2018 #49

Societal savings are not tax revenues Gothmog Dec 2018 #51

Really, you used to be a college debater? hueymahl Dec 2018 #59

I am also an attorney and an inactive CPA Gothmog Dec 2018 #62

I understand your point. I don't agree, but I recognize it is an issue. hueymahl Dec 2018 #63

A public option is doable in the real world Gothmog Dec 2018 #64

How dare you bring facts into an internet discussion! GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #35

Don't remind everyone, elleng Dec 2018 #33

PNHP area51 Dec 2018 #39

One area of potential abuse that I see in that link: TexasTowelie Dec 2018 #42

That is amazingly cynical dpibel Dec 2018 #45

Okay then, what do you believe will be done to control costs? TexasTowelie Dec 2018 #46

I think this is not a unique situation dpibel Dec 2018 #47

The per capita costs are lower in other countries than in America TexasTowelie Dec 2018 #48

How will this work in the real world Gothmog Dec 2018 #53

A single risk pool equals a health care system. Multiple risk pools equal Ron Green Dec 2018 #43

"Medicare for All could save the country $5.1 trillion over ten years" enid602 Dec 2018 #50

The savings identified in the amusing study in the OP are societal savings and not tax revenues Gothmog Dec 2018 #52

Tax enid602 Dec 2018 #60

Democrats do not control the Senate and trump would veto any attempt to undo this bill Gothmog Dec 2018 #61

Unbelievable. NurseJackie Dec 2018 #69

The sanders plan relies on tax increases to pay for it Gothmog Dec 2018 #70