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pnwmom

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121. No, the separate spend-down provisions do not require divorce.
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 04:00 PM
Dec 2018
https://www.elderlawanswers.com/medicaid-protections-for-the-healthy-spouse-12019

Example: If a couple has $100,000 in countable assets on the date the applicant enters a nursing home, he or she will be eligible for Medicaid once the couple's assets have been reduced to a combined figure of $52,000 -- $2,000 for the applicant and $50,000 for the community spouse.

Some states, however, are more generous toward the community spouse. In these states, the community spouse may keep up to $123,600 (in 2018), regardless of whether or not this represents half the couple's assets. For example, if the couple had $100,000 in countable assets on the "snapshot" date, the community spouse could keep the entire amount, instead of being limited to half.

The income of the community spouse is not counted in determining the Medicaid applicant’s eligibility. Only income in the applicant’s name is counted. Thus, even if the community spouse is still working and earning, say, $5,000 a month, she will not have to contribute to the cost of caring for her spouse in a nursing home if he is covered by Medicaid. In some states, however, if the community spouse’s income exceeds certain levels, he or she does have to make a monetary contribution towards the cost of the institutionalized spouse’s care. The community spouse’s income is not considered in determining eligibility, but there is a subsequent contribution requirement.

But what if most of the couple's income is in the name of the institutionalized spouse and the community spouse's income is not enough to live on? In such cases, the community spouse is entitled to some or all of the monthly income of the institutionalized spouse. How much the community spouse is entitled to depends on what the Medicaid agency determines to be a minimum income level for the community spouse. This figure, known as the minimum monthly maintenance needs allowance or MMMNA, is calculated for each community spouse according to a complicated formula based on his or her housing costs. The MMMNA may range from a low of $2,030 to a high of $3,090 a month (in 2018). If the community spouse's own income falls below his or her MMMNA, the shortfall is made up from the nursing home spouse's income.

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I feel for you, and am glad your parents are in a safe place. Liberty Belle Dec 2018 #1
Unfortunately, I live in Minnesota and they're in California. MineralMan Dec 2018 #2
My mom is in a very similar situation as yours. yardwork Dec 2018 #22
I had a similar experience with my aging mom, Liberty Belle Ohiogal Dec 2018 #30
If I may mention True Blue American Dec 2018 #102
I'm sure they can be nasty. Ohiogal Dec 2018 #129
Sweet thoughts, nicely written, MM. Totally Tunsie Dec 2018 #3
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My mom wants to leave the nursing home before Christmas. davsand Dec 2018 #5
Like all of us, our aged parents overestimate their abilities. MineralMan Dec 2018 #7
I think that aged people without cognitive impairment have a right.. LAS14 Dec 2018 #127
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My mom's memory is down to about 30 seconds these days. MineralMan Dec 2018 #10
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Yes. Being mindful of the fact that they are still important MineralMan Dec 2018 #11
You sound like a good son pandr32 Dec 2018 #50
I try to be, but am always seeing ways that I could do better. MineralMan Dec 2018 #53
Sensible pandr32 Dec 2018 #70
A word of advice for anyone whose parents are contemplating assisted living. pnwmom Dec 2018 #12
That's a very good point. It's not an issue for my parents, however. MineralMan Dec 2018 #13
You would have more choices than VA if you have enough to pay for six months. pnwmom Dec 2018 #18
But you can only transition to Medicaid if you have spent down all the assets. Grasswire2 Dec 2018 #92
Right. But if the two of them were in assisted living, pnwmom Dec 2018 #94
That usually requires divorce. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2018 #116
No, the separate spend-down provisions do not require divorce. pnwmom Dec 2018 #121
Hopefully if you do, it will be a VA nursing home like the one I work at Maru Kitteh Dec 2018 #119
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