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JHan

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81. No, politically pushing for a shutdown

Tue Dec 11, 2018, 02:54 AM

Dec 2018

Over the omnibus would have been a bad idea. To truly control an agenda senate control is key , ideally a democratic president too.

If u want to apply a pressure point , u look at the influence and the impact on such industries on States . From oil and gas to defense ( especially considering that military defense r&d extends beyond the military sector)

You are right that democrats must continue to articulate a message counter to the republican vision of wealth acquisition by any means necessary but i focus further....What can cut into the hegemony of extraction industries?- more competitive renewable energy options. So i look at how reps vote to keep renewables afloat even if they rep districts where the economy is based on fossil extraction (reality) In States where the defense industry dominate there are jobs covering a wide range of skill sets - from highly specialized (aeronautical) to other skill sets less specialized which absorb labor not easily replaced by the establishment of say some other Industry. Rhetoric is only a part of this equation.

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I like it. Clear guidelines are important to avoid KPN Dec 2018 #1

Oh, for fuck's sake. Squinch Dec 2018 #2

Except incoming Ways and Means Committee chair Rep. Richard Neal (D-Mass.) denverbill Dec 2018 #4

You have two choices: choice 1: You can demand that all Democrats toe the Squinch Dec 2018 #7

Ps: Joe Lieberman wasn't a Democrat Squinch Dec 2018 #8

Yes he was. Caliman73 Dec 2018 #27

He defected in 2008. He caucused with the Democrats but so does Sanders. Squinch Dec 2018 #50

P. S. Yes he was. whathehell Dec 2018 #31

Yes he was. He was Gore's running mate. denverbill Dec 2018 #49

Caucusing with the Democrats does not make one a Democrat. He defected in 2008. Squinch Dec 2018 #51

When did Neal defect? denverbill Dec 2018 #52

See post 7. Squinch Dec 2018 #54

I kind of ignored post #7. denverbill Dec 2018 #59

Kay. Squinch Dec 2018 #60

+1000 Power 2 the People Dec 2018 #61

He wasn't?? disillusioned73 Dec 2018 #84

He defected before the Obamacare discussions. He left the party in 2008. Squinch Dec 2018 #85

In other words... disillusioned73 Dec 2018 #86

What is everyone's issue with this? He wasn't a Democrat Squinch Dec 2018 #87

These nasty smears about people haven't worked. Maybe people R B Garr Dec 2018 #10

The Democratic Party supports a smaller defense budget? BlueWI Dec 2018 #13

Yet Vermont doesn't have any of that. R B Garr Dec 2018 #25

VT is, however, the home of the $1,500,000,000,000 military boondoggle lapucelle Dec 2018 #58

Luckily for the representatives of that state, they're not regularly accused of being beholden betsuni Dec 2018 #75

Exactly, thanks, lapucelle! Thanks for pointing out the hypocrisy of R B Garr Dec 2018 #83

I asked us to name a champion on our side on these issues. BlueWI Dec 2018 #71

This is just more excuses for the double standards. Note R B Garr Dec 2018 #82

Yawn. BlueWI Dec 2018 #88

Your focus has shifted here. But it's still unrealistic R B Garr Dec 2018 #95

Bill Clinton definitely deserves credit for these actions. BlueWI Dec 2018 #97

Like most of these screeds, they are biased, self-serving and abstract. R B Garr Dec 2018 #98

? BlueWI Dec 2018 #99

Same to you. I was thinking the same about you. R B Garr Dec 2018 #100

Let's be clear about how this works: JHan Dec 2018 #38

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Show me where there is consistent, public, and determined opposition to increased defense spending BlueWI Dec 2018 #70

One from a state with no connection to the military that brings in jobs and revenue, I guess. betsuni Dec 2018 #72

You didn't answer my question, which was who is willing to advocate for change? BlueWI Dec 2018 #79

Democrats had a 60 seat filibuster-proof supermajority in the Senate for 72 days the last time betsuni Dec 2018 #80

So if activists are the solution BlueWI Dec 2018 #92

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Not sure if there's a point here. BlueWI Dec 2018 #69

the point is that Democrats cannot set the agenda right now, so through appropriations bills.. JHan Dec 2018 #73

Democrats can set the legislative agenda - in the House. BlueWI Dec 2018 #78

No, politically pushing for a shutdown JHan Dec 2018 #81

Makes sense to think about how strategiclly to make a change like this. BlueWI Dec 2018 #94

Bernie is a prominent backer of the F35. Blue_true Dec 2018 #55

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In other words: "You don't just get to lay claim to a term that has no clear definition." Garrett78 Dec 2018 #15

This is a site I use this is just for 2017 though JonLP24 Dec 2018 #16

That's my point. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #18

She is in the top 10 that is good enough for me JonLP24 Dec 2018 #19

You seem to be missing the point, but whatever. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #20

Well the Progressive Caucas has been around since 1991 JonLP24 Dec 2018 #22

Those positions, for the most part, are supported by most Democrats. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #26

This isn't the CBC JonLP24 Dec 2018 #29

I refer again to each of the points I made, including the reality of representing... Garrett78 Dec 2018 #33

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BS is not affiliated with the DSA. lapucelle Dec 2018 #65

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Thank You, Garrett. Cha Dec 2018 #39

Maybe they can establish a purity test, and offer a seal of approval! Adrahil Dec 2018 #23

Divisive Bullshit.. Dems all over the Country Cha Dec 2018 #28

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shes from my state..not my district..and she DOESNT get to tell ME what MY politics are.. samnsara Dec 2018 #32

Most Democrats agree with her positions. See posts #26 and #33. And this thread: Garrett78 Dec 2018 #35

Fortunately a shit ton of Democratic voters reject the title of progressive GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #34

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She's my Rep. ismnotwasm Dec 2018 #37

Mahalo, ismnotwasm! Cha Dec 2018 #41

Even within the progressive caucus, you would find disagreement. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #44

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