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143. Yes Obama did lack experience and we need experience more then ever now.

Sat Dec 15, 2018, 06:41 PM

Dec 2018

We have a chance at full democracy--but it is a chance not a certainty.

We can't go back to the past, as attractive as that might seem to some.

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Hey girl....just not yet. Maybe later hon. [View all] sheshe2 Dec 2018 OP

Beto - McCaskill question everything Dec 2018 #1

they both lost their last elections lol nt msongs Dec 2018 #2

The last thing the Democrats need to do is go to the center. Gore1FL Dec 2018 #46

Looking at the Senate results...I fail to see how we can go 'left' as we live in a center left Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #189

America is much more left than our strategies imply. Gore1FL Dec 2018 #194

I want to win. And I look at the Senate and know in my bones left won't win Tennessee...we got Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #233

If you buy the post-1984 failed conventional wisdom, yes. Gore1FL Dec 2018 #235

If they really cared about those things we would not have a Republican senate. Consider Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #237

We don't have a GOP senate because we fought hard for our values. Gore1FL Dec 2018 #238

Not McCaskill The Genealogist Dec 2018 #129

Not to mention too young and too old... Wounded Bear Dec 2018 #3

So a 65 year old is too old when she's a woman, pnwmom Dec 2018 #19

Plenty of us think Bernie and Joe are both too old. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2018 #72

Wounded Bear was referring to Biden-O'Rourke being too old-too young. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #78

I thought he was replying to a post about Beto and McCaskill. n/t pnwmom Dec 2018 #79

I see that... Wounded Bear Dec 2018 #89

O'Rourke is the same age JFK was when he was assassinated. OnlinePoker Dec 2018 #26

Too inexperienced. No foreign policy.Takes more than collecting fans delisen Dec 2018 #62

Agreed. Obama lacks experience and is America even ready for a black president? Bucky Dec 2018 #93

Yes Obama did lack experience and we need experience more then ever now. delisen Dec 2018 #143

Wait, your argument is we can't go back to the past, so let's nominate Biden? Bucky Dec 2018 #217

Obama was in the Senate...and had extensive political experience in Chicago. Also,Obama ran during Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #190

Is there some magic about being in Chicago? Bucky Dec 2018 #218

Beto is in the House not the Senate...and is not serving at the moment. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #232

1) No, Beto IS in House now. 2) It's not like he asked for a draft movement. He was surprised too Bucky Dec 2018 #236

Yes Obama served in U S Senate from 1/3/2005 to 11/16/2008 delisen Dec 2018 #225

Exactly, I fail to see the swooning over Beto...not that I don't like him but Abrams and Gillum did Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #234

Beto's not JFK EffieBlack Dec 2018 #175

And Obama wasn't FDR. But the political parallels are remarkable Bucky Dec 2018 #221

I'm not making arguments against him EffieBlack Dec 2018 #228

Harris/Biden forgotmylogin Dec 2018 #180

Don't be so pissy.. Armymedic88 Dec 2018 #4

Wow. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #7

Agree, you are owed an apology. MLAA Dec 2018 #85

Armymedic, you do owe Sheshe2 an apology. Your put down was in called for. MLAA Dec 2018 #86

Thanks. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #178

Here's my point.. Armymedic88 Dec 2018 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author Squinch Dec 2018 #126

Then just say it in a way that's not so divisive. "Pissy?" "Butthurt?" catbyte Dec 2018 #134

Too many.. Armymedic88 Dec 2018 #138

Wow mcar Dec 2018 #148

It's called civility, Mr. Eyeroll. catbyte Dec 2018 #150

I think your actual problem is that there's "too many adults" here Tarc Dec 2018 #163

This message was self-deleted by its author Tarc Dec 2018 #164

Post removed Post removed Dec 2018 #167

"a womans forum" ? Tarc Dec 2018 #169

Great response! sheshe2 Dec 2018 #181

Anytime Tarc Dec 2018 #191

Hey! sheshe2 Dec 2018 #220

Alas, s/he has bid us adieu. Nt spooky3 Dec 2018 #210

Sad that. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #222

Poor you. No one understands you. They're all just too sensitive. It has nothing to do with you Squinch Dec 2018 #173

The sort of thing said by a white guy who manages to vote only for a another white guy ... marble falls Dec 2018 #186

AT least we know what is what when we read that stuff, dont we. Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #202

Let democracy happen like it did last time? MontanaMama Dec 2018 #11

You're showing things about yourself that I don't think you mean to be showing. Squinch Dec 2018 #14

;) sheshe2 Dec 2018 #16

But seriously. I wonder if they know they're broadcasting. Squinch Dec 2018 #81

Ummmhmm. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #149

Amen!! We all may have favorites but it doesnt Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #44

Absolutely agree. Let's drink on it!! LakeArenal Dec 2018 #58

In all seriousness, we don't need to put things off for four more years.... not_the_one Dec 2018 #115

who is progressive with experience Guppy Dec 2018 #152

I agree with your assessment except I give Beto more cred. JudyM Dec 2018 #171

Amen a men a men... sheshe2 Dec 2018 #224

Indeed. SixString Dec 2018 #87

OMG Mr. Quackers Dec 2018 #90

That's completely uncalled-for. MineralMan Dec 2018 #95

And another APPLAUDS that FUCKING SHIT Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #203

.......snort! Hotler Dec 2018 #107

Harris / Booker Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #5

Hillary won't run.... sheshe2 Dec 2018 #8

I'd be ashamed to ask her to Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #13

No American in history suffered more unwarranted attacks than Hillary and she dealt with it Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #204

Why the hell not? You (all of us) should #1 pick the Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #45

Kamala Harris will unite Obama and Hillary supporters and GOTV for us like no other candidate IMHO TeamPooka Dec 2018 #56

Not all of those supporters are united by Harris. LakeArenal Dec 2018 #60

Why not? Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #205

Argee 100%. Men have screwed this country up royally. Hoyt Dec 2018 #6

Lol... sheshe2 Dec 2018 #9

To put a fine point on it: Men who look like me have royaly screwed this country. marble falls Dec 2018 #187

I'll start caring about candidates in November. Hassler Dec 2018 #10

Just last week I got alerted on for saying two white males doesn't work anymore... brush Dec 2018 #12

i do. Pick the person first !!! Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #47

ok. I pick Hillary. Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #59

Hillary, somehow, someway will replace -45. It is Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #66

No reason why we can't pick a person with a vagina. Squinch Dec 2018 #131

#MeToo!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #227

I would love another opportunity to vote for a woman for President as I did in 2016 pecosbob Dec 2018 #15

I think we have women and candidates of color with good experiance than to even concider ... marble falls Dec 2018 #17

thank you. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #22

That seems to be an awfully deep read sister sheshe. Glamrock Dec 2018 #18

I did. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #20

Okay. Then by all means continue. Glamrock Dec 2018 #24

Biden's not beloved by anyone who remembers his dismal failure with Anita Hill, pnwmom Dec 2018 #21

Maybe, but a lot of these possible candidates have their own more recent dismal failure LakeArenal Dec 2018 #34

That isn't comparable at ALL. Al Franken wasn't a victim of sexual harassment pnwmom Dec 2018 #40

Not to you apparently. LakeArenal Dec 2018 #43

All bets are off now. No baggage is even worth Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #49

I'm not the one who brought up 40 year old baggage. LakeArenal Dec 2018 #51

Sorry LA Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #54

You didn't say a word about his shepherding legislation through Congress pnwmom Dec 2018 #73

That is speculation on your part that I and and others disagree. LakeArenal Dec 2018 #94

No. Being the victim of prolonged sexual harassment is not the same pnwmom Dec 2018 #71

Yes I can see you will make sure everyone hears about it. LakeArenal Dec 2018 #96

Your quote from Biden? It's literally perfect from my perspective ... mr_lebowski Dec 2018 #68

No, I don't expect the woman to be believed, period. That wasn't the problem. pnwmom Dec 2018 #112

Yeah I know he wasn't the greatest ... I was speaking only of the quote, since you brought it up mr_lebowski Dec 2018 #114

I agree, and I included his quote because pnwmom Dec 2018 #130

Gotcha ... makes sense now, mama :) mr_lebowski Dec 2018 #132

The fact that you are harping on things that... MicaelS Dec 2018 #108

The fact that Clarence Thomas is still on the court because Biden, pnwmom Dec 2018 #110

+1 Celerity Dec 2018 #41

Agree. DURHAM D Dec 2018 #48

The student loan issue alone will kill Biden with Millennials and Z'ers cemaphonic Dec 2018 #65

I think the same. LakeArenal Dec 2018 #29

True that! Glamrock Dec 2018 #32

Oh life is soo good. Thanks for asking! LakeArenal Dec 2018 #35

One more crazy week then two weeks vacation. Glamrock Dec 2018 #36

Love boredom. January is one long bore!!! LakeArenal Dec 2018 #42

And I get to get out of the Chicago cold down to Atlanta in a month! Glamrock Dec 2018 #52

With the climate change.. LakeArenal Dec 2018 #55

I'm just hoping for anything over 50 Glamrock Dec 2018 #57

Too soon for me, but... Jersey Devil Dec 2018 #23

WHAT SHESHE SAID! n/t TygrBright Dec 2018 #25

Biden Is Too Old (I know as I share a birthday with him), As Is Bernie. We Need New Blood! DoctorJoJo Dec 2018 #27

I have never experienced women eating women. LakeArenal Dec 2018 #30

I have never once heard a woman say that. DURHAM D Dec 2018 #50

Wow, where did YOU work?!? I'm retired & have never heard that from anyone. catbyte Dec 2018 #136

Paths of victory struggle4progress Dec 2018 #28

March of the Women struggle4progress Dec 2018 #31

+++ sheshe2 Dec 2018 #102

Life, strife -- those two are one! struggle4progress Dec 2018 #111

I am woman struggle4progress Dec 2018 #33

Biden/Beto 2020 I love it!! aeromanKC Dec 2018 #37

Exactly!!! It's perfect...age and wisdom with youth Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2018 #53

You are absolutely right. LakeArenal Dec 2018 #63

Right now, my criteria is to nominate anyone who Trump cannot make mincemeat of smirkymonkey Dec 2018 #88

Sisters are doin it for themselves struggle4progress Dec 2018 #38

+++ sheshe2 Dec 2018 #103

Aretha and The Eurhythmics struggle4progress Dec 2018 #109

I am a man, and I am with you Perseus Dec 2018 #39

I had similar thoughts after reading the Move On and CNN polls. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #61

Are gender and race your top two criteria when judging presidential candidates? Renew Deal Dec 2018 #64

No. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #104

I hereby declare openly that, in the primary, if there is a female and a male Squinch Dec 2018 #135

Do you feel there are no suitable female candidates? Women have never been represented Squinch Dec 2018 #133

For the record, a woman DID win the 2016 presidential election DFW Dec 2018 #67

Correct. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #137

Harris - O'Rourke Hekate Dec 2018 #69

I just want two decent people to be nominated Raine Dec 2018 #70

Two huge mistakes are being promulgated every day here on DU. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2018 #74

I'm with you sheshe2. apcalc Dec 2018 #75

Because they are best represented by women. Research backs that up. See link in post #76. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #77

A good article on why electing women matters: Garrett78 Dec 2018 #76

Thank you... sheshe2 Dec 2018 #105

Kamala Harris is the only decent female candidate whos name has been thrown out there. phleshdef Dec 2018 #80

What about Oprah Winfrey? oberliner Dec 2018 #82

Unqualified joke. phleshdef Dec 2018 #118

That's what people said about Trump oberliner Dec 2018 #121

And he has thus far proved it 100%. phleshdef Dec 2018 #123

He became president anyway oberliner Dec 2018 #124

Oprah is smart enough to know she has no business anywhere near the Presidency. phleshdef Dec 2018 #128

Sometimes folks say they aren't running and then change their minds oberliner Dec 2018 #160

What about Elizabeth Warren? milestogo Dec 2018 #91

Klobuchar is boring as fuck. Pretend otherwise all you want phleshdef Dec 2018 #119

Pretty dismissive of Klobuchar. LakeArenal Dec 2018 #99

Damn straight. She is boring, no charisma, no personality. phleshdef Dec 2018 #120

Intelligence, integrity, and genuineness don't count for shit with our party. milestogo Dec 2018 #125

Sure those things count. But you need charisma to win the Presidency. phleshdef Dec 2018 #127

That's what they said about Tony Evers for Gov of Wisconsin. LakeArenal Dec 2018 #139

Irrelevant. A Presidential campaign requires more appeal. phleshdef Dec 2018 #140

Your reality. You are just throwing stuff to get a rise out of people LakeArenal Dec 2018 #141

I'm not denigrating her. I like her. She just isn't Presidential material. phleshdef Dec 2018 #142

We need party building; we need truth and we are going to build delisen Dec 2018 #145

No one said anything about Male charisma. phleshdef Dec 2018 #147

Neither did GWB or his father. Neither did Johnson, Nixon, Carter, or Ford. milestogo Dec 2018 #151

GWB had plenty of "good ol boy" charisma. Same for Johnson. phleshdef Dec 2018 #153

GWB ran against two very uncharismatic men crazycatlady Dec 2018 #170

I think Kerry has a certain charisma about him. phleshdef Dec 2018 #174

Tammy Duckworth. Squinch Dec 2018 #176

I had not heard her mentioned as running, but I could get on board. phleshdef Dec 2018 #183

We were talking about lots of them before they announced as running. Squinch Dec 2018 #185

She is a bad ass and I love her for that. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #207

It's a democracy. People get to vote for who they want. manor321 Dec 2018 #83

Post removed Post removed Dec 2018 #84

Biden-Beto is the chatter of unimaginative people. Pay it no heed. Bucky Dec 2018 #92

Your OP makes no sense. SMC22307 Dec 2018 #97

The OP is requesting that women are finally represented in the executive branch. You characterize Squinch Dec 2018 #172

Thank you, squinch. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #177

I'm so sick of this shit. All calls for female representation are dependably answered with, "You Squinch Dec 2018 #179

I did not see the response, yet figured it out from the responses. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #182

So you (and the OP) would choose... SMC22307 Dec 2018 #192

When Obama and AOC are Squinch Dec 2018 #193

"I will choose the woman. Period." SMC22307 Dec 2018 #195

That's nice, dear. Squinch Dec 2018 #196

Someone will be along shortly to mansplain why you're wrong, no doubt. MineralMan Dec 2018 #98

I believe a black woman needs to be somewhere in the ticket EOM harumph Dec 2018 #100

I hope there is a woman on the ticket Bettie Dec 2018 #101

I would like to hear Anita Hill's opinion roody Dec 2018 #106

I'm with you!!! Sparkly Dec 2018 #113

That Biden and Beto in talks article? It was bullshit. They're not discussing any such thing. herding cats Dec 2018 #116

I think it's time for some younger blood. MicaelS Dec 2018 #122

We are reasy for THAT women for sure...she won, and the Russians committed acts of war to stop it nt Baltimike Dec 2018 #144

Hey She, remember this? "I want a woman. Just not that woman" mcar Dec 2018 #146

Yep. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #156

I'm open to everyone for the nomination except Bernie at this point. RandySF Dec 2018 #154

I would love for Hillary to run again! R B Garr Dec 2018 #155

Ha. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #159

Sherrod Brown/Kamala Harris? ariadne0614 Dec 2018 #157

I don't care if the Yellow Dog has a dick or tits. McCamy Taylor Dec 2018 #158

Warren - O'Rourke 2020 LudwigPastorius Dec 2018 #161

Sadly, we (Democrats and the DNC) are letting the media define the front runners aikoaiko Dec 2018 #162

1) Old 2) White 3) Male Tarc Dec 2018 #165

We did elect a woman president. orangecrush Dec 2018 #166

I am very aware of that. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #168

I have long been baffled that we have yet to have a female president in this country Rhiannon12866 Dec 2018 #184

I don't know what is taking us so long. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #199

I am not. MicaelS Dec 2018 #200

Agree 100%. orangecrush Dec 2018 #198

Hey! sheshe2 Dec 2018 #201

... orangecrush Dec 2018 #211

I don't care who runs as long as they can win...I don't think Sen. Sanders nor Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #188

I think HRC might decide to do it as we find outmore and more how the kGOPb rigged the election. nt Baltimike Dec 2018 #197

Why does advocating for a male candidate mean "we're not ready for a woman"? brooklynite Dec 2018 #206

Why do we see so many posts advocating a white male ticket? sheshe2 Dec 2018 #212

Perhaps because they find some choices more appealing than others. brooklynite Dec 2018 #213

I must have missed something. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #214

But a prosecutorial style doesn't necessary lend itself to a political campaign. brooklynite Dec 2018 #215

Well my comment was an aside to your original question. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #216

I'm not saying Beto is DESERVING of support because of his rally speeches brooklynite Dec 2018 #219

Several posts to get to that point. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #223

You made us sound like we are passively hoping to be chosen, but the big bad men just won't pick us! Chemisse Dec 2018 #208

Sorry you missed the point of the OP. nt sheshe2 Dec 2018 #209

A woman won... Mike Nelson Dec 2018 #226

As long as it's not Warren, Biden or Sanders ecstatic Dec 2018 #229

I don't care as long as they can actually get elected Crunchy Frog Dec 2018 #230

I'm going to let the primary voters decide BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #231