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99. How is that a personal attack?

Sun Dec 16, 2018, 04:57 PM

Dec 2018

Last edited Mon Dec 17, 2018, 10:34 PM - Edit history (1)

And I’m going to speak up when someone is unfairly and dishonestly demonized.

BTW That was also not the question she was asked so let’s be honest and not make stuff up.

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Gillibrand says she's worried about top options in Dem 2020 poll being white men [View all] Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2018 OP

She is just mad because there are more appealing candidates than her. phleshdef Dec 2018 #1

Yep. nt jrthin Dec 2018 #9

How then should she have responded? LanternWaste Dec 2018 #11

She could drop her name from consideration and support Kamala Harris Bucky Dec 2018 #150

...and why should she do that? brooklynite Dec 2018 #162

I'm thinking about all the money she'll save Bucky Dec 2018 #188

Agreed, cept substitute the name Elizabeth Warren. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #176

Didn't she Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #184

Remember those horrible mid80s hairstyles? Bucky Dec 2018 #186

Agreed nt Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #189

"I think he should resign," Elizabeth Warren said in a statement put out by her staff." brooklynite Dec 2018 #190

Who also called for Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #183

So you're saying there are natural allies. I agree!! Bucky Dec 2018 #187

Yup!! Nt helpisontheway Dec 2018 #22

Pretty much. nt Kahuna7 Dec 2018 #27

Nailed it! NurseJackie Dec 2018 #35

The answer, ironically, is from Melania. Be best! ;-) (n/t) thesquanderer Dec 2018 #40

8oO Bucky Dec 2018 #151

When did she say that? Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #45

Its what I believe. And you don't get to complain about her being demonized... phleshdef Dec 2018 #46

And millions believed the Earth was flat for centuries Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #47

You're just posting nonsensical rhetorical jibberish. phleshdef Dec 2018 #48

Having respect for facts over beliefs is jibberish? Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #50

News flash. I'm allowed to have an opinion about her personal character. phleshdef Dec 2018 #56

And that gives you the right to demonize someone? Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #68

I watched her take the podium and attack Franken. MoonRiver Dec 2018 #86

OK Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #91

When asked what should happen to Franken she said "enough is enough." MoonRiver Dec 2018 #92

How is that a personal attack? Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #99

+1. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #116

...as did almost every other Democratic Senator... brooklynite Dec 2018 #163

Gillibrand disregarded facts, when ousting Franken. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #115

What facts were disregarded? Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #118

I'm not going to get into a debate w/you. Been there, done that. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #120

What facts were disregarded? Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #121

Stop it. If you don't know the facts at this late stage, you don't want to know. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #122

What facts were disregarded? Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #125

Your mama wears army boots? Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #128

What facts were disregarded? Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #136

Please see posts #122 and #128. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #137

What facts were disregarded? Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #139

Please see post #137. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #140

What facts were disregarded? Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #144

Please see post #137. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #146

What facts were disregarded? Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #147

Please see post #137, DU threads on the subject, CNN, Youtube videos on the subject. This is settled Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #149

What facts were disregarded? Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #157

Please see post #137. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #158

What facts were disregarded? Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #159

Please see Post #137. Case proven. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #168

What facts were disregarded? Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #169

The information is all there. Do your own research, please. Post #137. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #170

What facts were disregarded? Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #171

Please see post #170. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #172

What facts were disregarded? Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #173

I'm not doing your research for you. You don't want to know the facts. See post #173. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #191

What facts were disregarded? Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #193

So you're knocking out Klobuchar, Booker, Harris, Sanders as well? brooklynite Dec 2018 #52

No just Gillibrand. She was especially shady about the whole thing. phleshdef Dec 2018 #55

...and the other were stupid enough to buy her argument? brooklynite Dec 2018 #57

Yes. They stupidly jumped on the bandwagon. phleshdef Dec 2018 #59

So you wouldn't want to elect them President either... brooklynite Dec 2018 #61

I would vote for Gillibrand if she is the nominee. phleshdef Dec 2018 #64

Several of those who jumped on the bandwagon... quickesst Dec 2018 #69

+1. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #117

Yep quickesst Dec 2018 #156

Exactly... Gillibrand led the way in denying Franken due process. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #180

I'd be good with the knocking out Sanders bit Bucky Dec 2018 #192

Indeedy-o. I second that. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #114

Yes, KG demonized herself! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #179

WAY more!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #77

Indeedy-o. I didn't know her hat was in the ring. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #112

I don't have a problem MyOwnPeace Dec 2018 #2

I agree with her for once, as long as she's not the woman on the ticket. brush Dec 2018 #3

It's never "the right woman" is it. Maru Kitteh Dec 2018 #131

Don't even try it. Hillary was the right woman. Klobuchar, Harris, Warren could be... brush Dec 2018 #133

How many men have we forgiven that for? Maru Kitteh Dec 2018 #141

I resent your implication that I feel that no woman is ever the right woman. brush Dec 2018 #143

I'm worried it might be her. nt Baltimike Dec 2018 #4

I doubt it will be. BlueStater Dec 2018 #5

Yeah, as my old friend Lenny would have said, "Balls to her," after her Franken contribution., 3Hotdogs Dec 2018 #8

Is that why she barely won re-election Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #51

And that means what as far as her popularity as a presidential candidate is concerned? BlueStater Dec 2018 #58

Yet it was still a larger margin Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #60

You realize New York is fourth in population, right? n/t BlueStater Dec 2018 #66

What does that have to do with % margin of victory? Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #67

Are you serious? BlueStater Dec 2018 #74

Number of voters Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #90

Again, it's a mostly blue state. BlueStater Dec 2018 #100

Still a higher % than any other statewide candidate Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #102

Thank you for entirely ignoring all my arguments challenging your narrative. BlueStater Dec 2018 #106

I didn't ignore them Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #109

And I pointed out that it's a very blue state. BlueStater Dec 2018 #127

Yes it is Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #135

She led the charge against Franken. She chose to do that for political purposes. She miscalculated. dem4decades Dec 2018 #105

What does that have to do with her margin of victory? Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #108

her margin of victory? who cares. My accusation that she led the charge against Franken? dem4decades Dec 2018 #134

My post was about her margin of victory Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #138

"people were suspicious that Gillibrand's move was a political gambit." dem4decades Dec 2018 #142

That is opinion Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #145

She's my Senator. She is dead to me for the Franken business. Golden Raisin Dec 2018 #41

Don't. nt greyl Dec 2018 #71

I agree, don't support gillibrand! Nt USALiberal Dec 2018 #89

Okay...run Pelosi pecosbob Dec 2018 #6

She threw her chance away. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2018 #7

Van Jones asked her the question oberliner Dec 2018 #10

Yes, any Democrat would have given a similar answer. NT Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #21

Exactly oberliner Dec 2018 #39

No. Here's what a real leader would have said, IMO: Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #119

polls at this point are meaningless. i wouldn't put any stock (or worry) into any of them Takket Dec 2018 #12

I just want to win in 2020 Buckeyeblue Dec 2018 #13

So that's why she capped off Al? HipChick Dec 2018 #14

Hey, that's one less she'll have to worry about. nt oasis Dec 2018 #24

If Gillibrand is worried about her Presidential options, well Vogon_Glory Dec 2018 #15

Hahaha, very funny ! A tad obvious though... OnDoutside Dec 2018 #16

Sorry, Senator. elleng Dec 2018 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author DURHAM D Dec 2018 #18

I think that will change in the next year. I would like to see a woman take down Trump. Quixote1818 Dec 2018 #19

While I would love to see a woman or person of color as the Democratic nominee, Arkansas Granny Dec 2018 #20

She's already picked off one potential candidate. Look out.. jalan48 Dec 2018 #23

That was my first thought as well BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #85

We have better candidates IMHO. jalan48 Dec 2018 #113

Yes, KG has disqualified herself... but, there are many other capable, qualified women InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #167

That's alright Kristen you don't have to worry one minute about it, the Democratic Party grantcart Dec 2018 #25

Perhaps so, but Al Franken will have nothing to do with the decision. brooklynite Dec 2018 #53

It won't help. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #123

"There are a lot of people" brooklynite Dec 2018 #124

Sorry. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #129

She should force them out of office then budkin Dec 2018 #26

Hell, if she is powerful enough to do that alone. Blue_true Dec 2018 #36

Doesn't matter Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #54

I am afraid so. nt Blue_true Dec 2018 #111

I think it's pretty easy... Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #126

We shouldn't decide it must be a woman or it must be a man or it must be a person of color or Vinca Dec 2018 #28

I agree, let primaries determine who represents us. Blue_true Dec 2018 #37

+1 n/t Devil Child Dec 2018 #87

I think we should assume the nominee will be either Trump or Nikki Haley. pnwmom Dec 2018 #29

Harris/O'Rourke or O'Rourke/Harris would be most formidable. John Fante Dec 2018 #30

Trump won't be around in 2020, I hope. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #132

Enough with the identity politics Lheurch Dec 2018 #31

Are we never allowed to have white males again? Our last 3 tickets OrlandoDem2 Dec 2018 #32

Every single president in the history of the US has been male oberliner Dec 2018 #33

44 out of 45 Presidents have been White Males dsc Dec 2018 #43

White males had well over a two-century run and look where it got us... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #79

That's precisely the identity politics we don't need. OrlandoDem2 Dec 2018 #82

Fortunately Democratic primary voters will decide GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #34

I moved from Texas to Nevada some years ago pecosbob Dec 2018 #38

Too bad, KG. ananda Dec 2018 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #44

I could easily vote for Gillibrand. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #49

No way she gets the nomination with her record... zero chance. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #81

Her record is pretty solid. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #104

Actually her record is amazing. MrsCoffee Dec 2018 #166

Can we please TheFarseer Dec 2018 #62

And how they can effectively communicate with thousands of grantcart Dec 2018 #65

Our last nominee was a woman, Clinton and before her a man of color, Obama. Rizen Dec 2018 #63

"that we are all of that, we are everything" greyl Dec 2018 #70

It is OK if the top contenders for the Democratic 2020 POTUS nominee are men. democratisphere Dec 2018 #72

Depends on which men you're talking about. BlueStater Dec 2018 #75

I would also... Mike Nelson Dec 2018 #73

only one person can win the nomination. All the women who want to run, run. Stop balming other wasupaloopa Dec 2018 #76

Too soon for the intraparty 'undercuts' empedocles Dec 2018 #78

It doesn't worry me at all. If it's a white woman or man or a woman or man of color and I like Autumn Dec 2018 #80

Not good that she demonizes someone based on their gender and race. LiberalFighter Dec 2018 #83

It's really not a good look to automatically discount... TCJ70 Dec 2018 #84

While I think diversity is important.... Adrahil Dec 2018 #88

What did Van Jones mean when he asked the question? oberliner Dec 2018 #95

I think he was looking for a reply like he got. Adrahil Dec 2018 #101

Isn't it a rule on this forum not to bash other Democrats? crazycatlady Dec 2018 #93

You consider my posting an article that quotes Gillibrand to be bashing? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2018 #94

Pretty sure they were referencing the responses to the OP oberliner Dec 2018 #97

Post removed Post removed Dec 2018 #98

I might be wrong about others blue cat Dec 2018 #152

The ticket will be racially and gender balanced as it should be. DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2018 #96

Sorry, this NYer says... we don't need a NYer. zonkers Dec 2018 #103

Is she now? Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2018 #107

She's got a lot of men left to throw under the bus before she can announce for president. milestogo Dec 2018 #110

So am I. nt Maru Kitteh Dec 2018 #130

She's spot on. MariePinchon Dec 2018 #148

The woman's march was barely covered? BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #160

being covered vs. being covered in a serious manner MariePinchon Dec 2018 #164

Glad you mentioned the blue wave BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #165

No, it's not subjective. MariePinchon Dec 2018 #174

Yeah I think we're definitly consuming two kinds of media. BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #175

You either realize gender bias in the media, or you don't. MariePinchon Dec 2018 #177

Remember Al Franken? JeaneRaye Dec 2018 #153

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) has bogged herself down LuvLoogie Dec 2018 #154

It just so happens that the candidate who I like the most, Tom Steyer, is a white man. StevieM Dec 2018 #155

Amy Klobuchar is in the mix as well. brooklynite Dec 2018 #161

She's fourth over all in this poll Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2018 #185

I agree with that. Sparkly Dec 2018 #178

Let's play diversity bingo, and who cares if we lose! X_Digger Dec 2018 #181

For goodness sakes, as Democrats, should we not be content with having a collective mindset Mr. Ected Dec 2018 #182