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40. As someone who really really likes Gillibrand.

Tue Dec 18, 2018, 04:09 PM

Dec 2018

The Franken letter is a strike against her. I would not hold it against her in a primary but many would. I knew Franken was going down from the time he said "wait". I simply don't hold it against Gillibrand just as I don't hold it against the majority of Democratic Senators who called for him to resign. I find it to be a shame that all of the blame is put on her and the others are ignored. It's a classic example of scapegoating.

I don't simply give Gillibrand a free pass. Although this is her issue, she should not have been the one designated to head up the letter. I believe I am using that word properly considering what we know. Designated. She should not have done that.

She is a great spokesperson for our party and I would love to see her enter the primaries. If your line in the sand is not having calling for Franken to resign then maybe Manchin is your guy. He actually stood up for Franken publicly.

Gillibrand should be viewed as a force, a progressive, a great representative for the issues we care deeply about, and a leader.

Yet there are individuals who called for Franken to resign who possess more political clout than Gillibrand and are in the top three in early primary polling.

All of that and I will tell you that I like Franken more than any person who called for him to resign. Not because they called for him to resign. Because he was flat out great. For those who watched him he was turning into one of those once in a generation Senators. A Lion of the Senate, if you will.

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Kirsten Gillibrand and the Al Franken Fury [View all] brooklynite Dec 2018 OP

We shall see... I've yet to encounter anyone involved with 2016 CO caucuses that supports her hlthe2b Dec 2018 #1

She actually sounds more like GOP-lite. allgood33 Dec 2018 #97

Ridiculous. She has the lowest Trump score in the entire Senate and was the only Celerity Dec 2018 #125

She won't get my vote in the primary if she runs kimbutgar Dec 2018 #2

That's not what being stated in other circles. She ranks at the bottom & not only because of Franken PhrankT Dec 2018 #3

My response blue cat Dec 2018 #4

Yes, much better. OnDoutside Dec 2018 #19

Yup Charlotte Little Dec 2018 #27

I agree. Control-Z Dec 2018 #43

Klobuchar voted with Trump over 30 percent of the time; Gillibrand less than 12 percent oberliner Dec 2018 #64

whow. Interesting to say the least. Thanks riversedge Dec 2018 #103

You're welcome oberliner Dec 2018 #116

Thank you wildflower Dec 2018 #133

Not a big fan of hers zeusdogmom Dec 2018 #5

Wait until she sees the Beto machine Guppy Dec 2018 #6

Why is it such a big deal that he was denied due process? ProudLib72 Dec 2018 #7

Anyone with half of a functioning brain could ... and should ... have seen that was a set up UpInArms Dec 2018 #16

By what definition was Tweeden a "news anchor"? JHB Dec 2018 #37

If it was just Tweeden NewJeffCT Dec 2018 #42

Oh, please. You mean the one who said he touched her love handle when she asked... brush Dec 2018 #60

Amen. chelsea0011 Dec 2018 #62

+1 Gidney N Cloyd Dec 2018 #74

+1!!! Dustlawyer Dec 2018 #108

So all 7 women were republican operatives? Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #112

That is pretty dishonest of you... tonedevil Dec 2018 #126

Read the thread Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #134

Don't even try it. Do you have any proof they weren't? brush Dec 2018 #130

Sorry Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #135

See post 60. brush Dec 2018 #137

Yes that's the post where make the accusation Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #138

Those two and Tweeden were in the repug hit job so you do the math. brush Dec 2018 #139

Ok I'll give you Tweeden Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #140

You sound sensible so I don't really think you believe the love handle... brush Dec 2018 #141

As a sensible person I need to see evidence. Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #142

You're choosing to believe a lying birther over Franken wellst0nev0ter Dec 2018 #144

No that's not what I said Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #145

Two other named accusers are trumpanzees wellst0nev0ter Dec 2018 #146

And you're trying to dismiss Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #147

So you're willing to believe lying trumpanzees than Franken wellst0nev0ter Dec 2018 #153

Prove that all 8 were lying Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #156

Prove they're telling the truth wellst0nev0ter Dec 2018 #158

A Ethics hearing is not a finding Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #163

Due process refers to the criminal justice system Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #113

Wrong on both counts ProudLib72 Dec 2018 #115

The opinion of one Republican Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #119

I count it as a strike against her. In baseball it takes three strikes to be out. Tom Rinaldo Dec 2018 #8

Soros is very mad at Gillibrand Gothmog Dec 2018 #9

Soros had a opportunity to run or support a candidate against her in the June Primary... brooklynite Dec 2018 #12

Soros and other big donors will not be supporting Gillibrand Gothmog Dec 2018 #41

Are you a big donor? Renew Deal Dec 2018 #59

This makes me smile Gothmog Dec 2018 #49

she has changed her opinions on issues like guns to be more appealing as a candidate TeamPooka Dec 2018 #10

She may know folks with money who can donate to her campaign Jarqui Dec 2018 #11

MOST candidates aren't doing that well in the early polls... brooklynite Dec 2018 #24

She is below one percent and below about a dozen others Bradshaw3 Dec 2018 #36

Gillibrand killed her brand Blue Owl Dec 2018 #13

This person isn't even on my radar. A non-entity..n/t monmouth4 Dec 2018 #14

Can't see her in the top 5 of women candidates bigbrother05 Dec 2018 #33

Who are the top 5 women candidates? oberliner Dec 2018 #65

In no particular order, Warren, Harris, Klobuchar, Baldwin, and Abrams come to mind bigbrother05 Dec 2018 #93

Those are all great candidates oberliner Dec 2018 #118

TAMMY DUCKWORTH! Squinch Dec 2018 #122

only if she says "cadet bonespurs" one more time Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2018 #123

Don't you love it! Squinch Dec 2018 #124

My bad, of course that's the Tammy intended bigbrother05 Dec 2018 #174

If she runs her campaign is going nowhere BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #89

I hate what she did, but I find it interesting that many of the same people Squinch Dec 2018 #15

maybe because she is defiantly unrepentant and only continues to dig deeper when asked? hlthe2b Dec 2018 #18

Because the Anita Hill / Clarence Thomas affair was 27 years ago. MicaelS Dec 2018 #25

Gillibrand is an excellent Senator. Except for the Franken thing. Squinch Dec 2018 #45

+1 MrsCoffee Dec 2018 #53

And Mrs. Lincoln enjoyed the play except for one thing. brush Dec 2018 #61

So you think that Franken's resignation Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #167

Swoosh! brush Dec 2018 #171

Amen to that! /nt romana Dec 2018 #44

THATS probably because most people live in the present and not 1991 BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #91

OK. What's the statute of limitations? Squinch Dec 2018 #107

Biden is a man Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #114

. Squinch Dec 2018 #121

Good point Quixote1818 Dec 2018 #161

I'd much rather have Franken in the Senate than her. panader0 Dec 2018 #17

I'd give Franken a donation to run in Kristen's name mchill Dec 2018 #28

I really dislike the framing of this as having done something to Franken dsc Dec 2018 #20

Dovere seems to have some connection with her, this reads as a puff piece to me. She has also OnDoutside Dec 2018 #21

Al Franken was a strong reliable voice in the Senate FakeNoose Dec 2018 #22

Mercifully, this one will fizzle on the launch pad. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2018 #23

I'm surprised that she's surprised DFW Dec 2018 #29

I had the same reaction to her "surprise" kcr Dec 2018 #55

Exactly-- the Franken thing was also bad because it was an example of her lack of political acumen. Gidney N Cloyd Dec 2018 #94

I will vote for her only if she wins the nomination. MicaelS Dec 2018 #26

Gee, it's been at least a day or two... Hypocrisy abounds... LakeSuperiorView Dec 2018 #30

Gillibrand pamdb Dec 2018 #31

Whether or not she chooses to run, MariePinchon Dec 2018 #32

Gillibrand is doing just fine without ME also ! stonecutter357 Dec 2018 #34

I won't support her Vinnie From Indy Dec 2018 #35

In the primary or in the General? irisblue Dec 2018 #57

Even without Franken she is at the bottom for me Bradshaw3 Dec 2018 #38

Who is at the top? oberliner Dec 2018 #67

She likely isn't running but I really like Duckworth Bradshaw3 Dec 2018 #76

She's great! oberliner Dec 2018 #80

+1, another reason why her involvement in Franken issue doesn't sit right with me uponit7771 Dec 2018 #136

Your agenda! Nt USALiberal Dec 2018 #39

As someone who really really likes Gillibrand. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #40

Well said and thoughtful oberliner Dec 2018 #68

I'm still trying to understand the Progressive dog Dec 2018 #46

Are you serious about that "gag" photo of a comedian taken in front of several witness by a... brush Dec 2018 #63

The gag photo was not a gag Progressive dog Dec 2018 #69

Look at the photo again. You can see the shadow of his hands hovering over her. brush Dec 2018 #73

Franken was there Progressive dog Dec 2018 #96

Again, he was a comedian. He got the photog to shooting him gagging it up. He did not... brush Dec 2018 #99

It doesn't matter ifm he touched her Progressive dog Dec 2018 #100

We've been thru this many times before on DU. I advised you to look at the... brush Dec 2018 #102

Yes and Franken has still resigned Progressive dog Dec 2018 #105

Still woefully uninformed. See post 60 about the other accusers. brush Dec 2018 #106

I get it, any woman who accuses Franken Progressive dog Dec 2018 #109

Whatever you want to believe, but we'll never know because he was... brush Dec 2018 #131

He ran himself out Progressive dog Dec 2018 #159

Nice try! nt USALiberal Dec 2018 #143

"I don't know what was in my head when I took that picture, and it doesn't matter... oberliner Dec 2018 #70

It was still a gag photo and his hands were not touching her. In the me_too era of course... brush Dec 2018 #75

He felt that it was inappropriate and said so and apologized oberliner Dec 2018 #82

I know. But you need to recognize, better than Gillibrand, that it was a repug hit job. brush Dec 2018 #83

That didn't impact Franken's response oberliner Dec 2018 #84

Like I said, it's the me_too era and him being a gentleman, of course he apologized. brush Dec 2018 #90

But you seem to be suggesting the apology wasn't genuine oberliner Dec 2018 #120

Oh, please. His apology was sincere as to the appearance of the photo... brush Dec 2018 #129

He pretended to grope her in the photo oberliner Dec 2018 #164

We all know the photo was inapproriate. No one is denying that. brush Dec 2018 #165

People love to hate ambitious women. athena Dec 2018 #176

Methinks she doth protest too much. lark Dec 2018 #47

I don't like her, for more reasons than just Franken. MoonRiver Dec 2018 #48

What are the reasons? oberliner Dec 2018 #71

She doesn't seem very smart. She's boring and completely uncharismatic. MoonRiver Dec 2018 #98

Thanks for the response oberliner Dec 2018 #117

wouldn't know she's doing okay by reading posts here... Takket Dec 2018 #50

DU has never represented the hard core base of the party. MrsCoffee Dec 2018 #56

Post removed Post removed Dec 2018 #51

I'd vote for her. If she was the only Democrat running. Then I'd hold my nose and vote. dem4decades Dec 2018 #52

Gillibrand will not be on the ticket aeromanKC Dec 2018 #54

I like your predictions except Joe as IMO his time has passed. brush Dec 2018 #79

She was the most popular statewide elected official in 2018 Renew Deal Dec 2018 #58

That means very little in a nation wide election. MoonRiver Dec 2018 #66

" The New York senator, who's expected to launch a presidential campaign soon" quickesst Dec 2018 #72

Well said. Sums her up. Thank you! democratisphere Dec 2018 #77

You're welcome quickesst Dec 2018 #87

Yep, having the Clintons and Franken as notches on her belt is not good. brush Dec 2018 #81

yep quickesst Dec 2018 #88

Baggage. Plus electorally, do we really need a NYer? ( I am a a NYer) zonkers Dec 2018 #86

Let's see.... quickesst Dec 2018 #95

oh it's STILL AN ISSUE. She'll never get my vote Rene Dec 2018 #78

Gillibrand is hearing from an equal number Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #85

I'd rather see Franken run flamingdem Dec 2018 #92

I would really appreciate her addressing the issue AllyCat Dec 2018 #101

The framing of that question is not fair oberliner Dec 2018 #148

Of course t isn't Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #150

Okay, so what is the reason behind his ouster? AllyCat Dec 2018 #154

Eight women Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #155

I would wager Franken could beat her. tavernier Dec 2018 #104

She lives in a bubble LiberalFighter Dec 2018 #110

...as do some people here. brooklynite Dec 2018 #111

If she is surprised Lotusflower70 Dec 2018 #127

Ahhhhhhh JCinNYC Dec 2018 #128

She still thinks she was right?... lame54 Dec 2018 #132

There are more small dollar donors than a big dollar donor. Stellar Dec 2018 #149

Waiting for that "post removed" person to post. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2018 #151

Liz Warren gets my vote. torius Dec 2018 #152

"Warren joins chorus calling for Franken's resignation" brooklynite Dec 2018 #157

Oh I never saw that. torius Dec 2018 #160

CNN: "Women senators coordinated calls for Al Franken to resign" brooklynite Dec 2018 #168

Actually I consider that worse. Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #169

My takeaway from that link Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #170

At a time when the Republicans in power were bending the country over the sink, LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #162

With regard to the Tweeden photo... drbtg1 Dec 2018 #166

Good job, defending bullying and harassment. athena Dec 2018 #175

Wrong on so many levels, but you go believe whatever you want. n/t drbtg1 Dec 2018 #178

She is in New York marlakay Dec 2018 #172

Activists and bloggers do not constitute "the rest of the country" brooklynite Dec 2018 #173

Nope, not her! LW1977 Dec 2018 #177