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Bucky

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236. 1) No, Beto IS in House now. 2) It's not like he asked for a draft movement. He was surprised too
Wed Dec 19, 2018, 02:04 AM
Dec 2018

When people started calling on him to run for president. He generated a LOT of national buzz with his campaign. But the chatter of him running for president emerged after he lost the senate run. It didn't come from him or his campaign. It didn't even come from Texas. No one was expecting this. A draft is sexy.

And you ask how he's different from Abrams or Gillum. That's a good question. Here's how he's different:

1- fundraising reach - Beto brought in $79 million from all around the country, the vast majority in small donations. Gillum raised about $55m, but over 20% came from "generous billionaires." I don't fault that, governors play by different rules. Abrams raised $22m, but obviously was running in a smaller state. But O'Rourke's fundraising performance is more impressive by any measure.

2- election performance - O'Rourke was THE high water mark for Democrats in Texas - 48.3%. Other Democrats have won state-wide in Florida in years past. No Democrat has won state-wide in a quarter century. It's not even been close. Our last senate candidate got 34%. Six years ago, Ted Cruz's opponent got 40.6%. Our 2008 senate candidate got 42.8%. Stacy Abrams's performance was more impressive than Gillum's. Coming out neck and neck in Georgia is comparable to doing so in Texas. But governor's elections are less partisan overall (how many Republicans have been elected governor of Massachusetts since 1990? At least 3) than Congressional elections.

3 - different office means different focus - Beto was running for Congress, not governor. The issues he was addressing were national in character, not local. What he talked about on the stump is applicable to all corners of the nation. It's essentially the same public conversation he'd have if running for president. Governors deal with more local issues, which aren't as sexy, and lend themselves less to sweeping inspirational visions.

4- actual experience - There are traditionally two routes to the White House -- being governor or serving in Congress. Neither Abrams or Gillum has served in congress. Race is almost certainly a factor there, but that's the breaks. But also Beto has spend enough years in Congress to be credible and authoritative as a candidate for national office. Neither Abrams nor Gillum has actually spent time as governor.

Both will be considered for cabinet offices in the near future. But whatever the magic threshold for presidentiality is, he's met it and they haven't. I don't doubt that race is a factor in that, but it's far from the only factor.

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Beto - McCaskill question everything Dec 2018 #1
they both lost their last elections lol nt msongs Dec 2018 #2
The last thing the Democrats need to do is go to the center. Gore1FL Dec 2018 #46
Looking at the Senate results...I fail to see how we can go 'left' as we live in a center left Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #189
America is much more left than our strategies imply. Gore1FL Dec 2018 #194
I want to win. And I look at the Senate and know in my bones left won't win Tennessee...we got Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #233
If you buy the post-1984 failed conventional wisdom, yes. Gore1FL Dec 2018 #235
If they really cared about those things we would not have a Republican senate. Consider Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #237
We don't have a GOP senate because we fought hard for our values. Gore1FL Dec 2018 #238
Not McCaskill The Genealogist Dec 2018 #129
Not to mention too young and too old... Wounded Bear Dec 2018 #3
So a 65 year old is too old when she's a woman, pnwmom Dec 2018 #19
Plenty of us think Bernie and Joe are both too old. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2018 #72
Wounded Bear was referring to Biden-O'Rourke being too old-too young. Garrett78 Dec 2018 #78
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O'Rourke is the same age JFK was when he was assassinated. OnlinePoker Dec 2018 #26
Too inexperienced. No foreign policy.Takes more than collecting fans delisen Dec 2018 #62
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Yes Obama did lack experience and we need experience more then ever now. delisen Dec 2018 #143
Wait, your argument is we can't go back to the past, so let's nominate Biden? Bucky Dec 2018 #217
Obama was in the Senate...and had extensive political experience in Chicago. Also,Obama ran during Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #190
Is there some magic about being in Chicago? Bucky Dec 2018 #218
Beto is in the House not the Senate...and is not serving at the moment. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #232
1) No, Beto IS in House now. 2) It's not like he asked for a draft movement. He was surprised too Bucky Dec 2018 #236
Yes Obama served in U S Senate from 1/3/2005 to 11/16/2008 delisen Dec 2018 #225
Exactly, I fail to see the swooning over Beto...not that I don't like him but Abrams and Gillum did Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #234
Beto's not JFK EffieBlack Dec 2018 #175
And Obama wasn't FDR. But the political parallels are remarkable Bucky Dec 2018 #221
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Ha. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #159
Sherrod Brown/Kamala Harris? ariadne0614 Dec 2018 #157
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1) Old 2) White 3) Male Tarc Dec 2018 #165
We did elect a woman president. orangecrush Dec 2018 #166
I am very aware of that. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #168
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I am not. MicaelS Dec 2018 #200
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Hey! sheshe2 Dec 2018 #201
... orangecrush Dec 2018 #211
I don't care who runs as long as they can win...I don't think Sen. Sanders nor Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #188
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Why does advocating for a male candidate mean "we're not ready for a woman"? brooklynite Dec 2018 #206
Why do we see so many posts advocating a white male ticket? sheshe2 Dec 2018 #212
Perhaps because they find some choices more appealing than others. brooklynite Dec 2018 #213
I must have missed something. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #214
But a prosecutorial style doesn't necessary lend itself to a political campaign. brooklynite Dec 2018 #215
Well my comment was an aside to your original question. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #216
I'm not saying Beto is DESERVING of support because of his rally speeches brooklynite Dec 2018 #219
Several posts to get to that point. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #223
You made us sound like we are passively hoping to be chosen, but the big bad men just won't pick us! Chemisse Dec 2018 #208
Sorry you missed the point of the OP. nt sheshe2 Dec 2018 #209
A woman won... Mike Nelson Dec 2018 #226
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