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kcr

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119. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 11:16 AM

Dec 2018

We've had nothing but men for president throughout history. But when women say it's time for a woman for president, you think that's not okay. It's simply been a random accident that men keep getting elected. We just have to wait for a qualified and electable woman to finally turn up in the random electable lottery someday, even though it's been a man for over 200 years now.

There is no logic in that whatsoever. If the results are the same every time, you don't keep doing things the same way but expect a different result. If you want a different outcome, you have to change it up. In other words, if you genuinely want a woman for president, you have to actively seek out change after hundreds of years of nothing but men. You have to actively seek out women and vote for them, with intention. The point isn't that qualification doesn't matter. The point is that there ARE women who are qualified.

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I didn't vote for a woman in 2016 [View all] LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 OP

If the Democratic primary is between a woman and a man, Squinch Dec 2018 #1

You and me both. MrsCoffee Dec 2018 #3

Regardless of positions or qualifications? Adrahil Dec 2018 #16

Really, does no one read? Squinch Dec 2018 #20

I see you automatically disqualifying people based on gender. TCJ70 Dec 2018 #28

Kay. You go with that. Squinch Dec 2018 #40

I mean...it's not like this is the only post you've made on the subject: TCJ70 Dec 2018 #49

Is this supposed to be some kind of gotcha? Squinch Dec 2018 #51

Not at all... TCJ70 Dec 2018 #55

We've spent recorded history in one specific place LanternWaste Dec 2018 #62

No arguments from me. I understand the history. TCJ70 Dec 2018 #67

No, it is not some sort of revenge! It is a desire to be represented! Squinch Dec 2018 #72

"I just think it's odd to think someone can't do something based on what's between their legs." Squinch Dec 2018 #66

Why are people assuming gender has to be the next frontier? MadDAsHell Dec 2018 #103

Because 51% of the population are women and we have never been represented. Squinch Dec 2018 #110

I'm not sure I agree with that. MadDAsHell Dec 2018 #113

Your agreement is not required. Squinch Dec 2018 #114

Temper temper. nt MadDAsHell Dec 2018 #115

I feel no temper at all. Simply stating a fact. Squinch Dec 2018 #116

WEll, you said... Adrahil Dec 2018 #33

That's nice, dear. Squinch Dec 2018 #41

;) NT Adrahil Dec 2018 #58

I'm not sure you did get the point. MariePinchon Dec 2018 #56

I'll vote for the best, but if all else is equal I will vote for the woman. n/t Chemisse Dec 2018 #52

That is the best approach of all I would think LiberalLovinLug Dec 2018 #80

OK, so damn me. I want to be represented. Horrible, I know. Squinch Dec 2018 #81

I could come up with a different word I guess. LiberalLovinLug Dec 2018 #87

For me, choosing from the list of Democratic possibilities being floated, all else IS equal. Squinch Dec 2018 #89

"how little regard even my fellow Democrats have for women" LiberalLovinLug Dec 2018 #92

Why would I need to analyze Sarah Silverman's actions? I didn't answer the question Squinch Dec 2018 #93

I only was curious about your reaction to the Silverman example LiberalLovinLug Dec 2018 #95

Happy holidays to you too. Squinch Dec 2018 #96

Been where you're at and it is exasperating, isn't it? I think some folks consider Atticus Dec 2018 #101

Thanks for this. The hysteria with which my words have been Squinch Dec 2018 #112

That's the plan. TomSlick Dec 2018 #97

I too would like to see a female president... but your stated policy borders on sexism FBaggins Dec 2018 #53

A woman says women should be represented for the first time Squinch Dec 2018 #91

Wow... you can just sense gender across the internet, eh? FBaggins Dec 2018 #99

Ok. You go with that. Squinch Dec 2018 #100

Don't agree. lark Dec 2018 #64

I love Joe, but he stabbed Anita Hill for HIS own burnishing. Squinch Dec 2018 #69

Joe learned and changed, their bad deeds just happened. lark Dec 2018 #70

Lol! I suspect that you guys will come up with some lame argument like Squinch Dec 2018 #73

I'm not a guy - fail. lark Dec 2018 #88

My reply stands. Squinch Dec 2018 #90

So....is someone like Sarah Silverman wrong? LiberalLovinLug Dec 2018 #83

You guys are working so hard to suggest I've said things I haven't said. Squinch Dec 2018 #84

"the horrible women in history"? trev Dec 2018 #104

Yeah, you don't see color or gender. johnp3907 Dec 2018 #2

Why is that a problem? trev Dec 2018 #105

Are you denying that every president has had a penis? MrsCoffee Dec 2018 #4

No, I made no such assertion. Please reread my post. /nt LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #5

Too many penises. MrsCoffee Dec 2018 #6

Will any vagina do? NT Adrahil Dec 2018 #19

Oh here we go again. That's been addressed. MrsCoffee Dec 2018 #21

Read what Squinch posted.... Adrahil Dec 2018 #25

Apparently BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #24

No, that poster is saying no such fucking thing. MrsCoffee Dec 2018 #31

You don't read very well, apparently. Name the possible female Squinch Dec 2018 #43

You don't read very well either BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #45

You going to change the word again, or do you think it makes sense this time? Squinch Dec 2018 #48

That's a stupid comment. trev Dec 2018 #106

Who is denying they should be embraced? BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #108

Someone who has never NOT been represented, telling those who have never BEEN Squinch Dec 2018 #111

Then why do you think only men have been president? How do you account for that? kcr Dec 2018 #117

Because I don't make reflexive choices based on gender BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #120

Which possible female Democratic primary contender has Squinch Dec 2018 #47

Kirsten Gillibrand. NT Adrahil Dec 2018 #50

I can understand that, but every male contender I have ever been Squinch Dec 2018 #77

Okay. Fair enough. NT Adrahil Dec 2018 #78

Tulsi Gabbard. n/t namahage Dec 2018 #79

... LexVegas Dec 2018 #7

I agree with you Guppy Dec 2018 #8

You are only worried about your own comfort zone. MrsCoffee Dec 2018 #12

This is exactly my point Guppy Dec 2018 #29

Yes, everyone is emotional but you my dear. MrsCoffee Dec 2018 #32

you prove my point Guppy Dec 2018 #37

Whatever helps you sleep at night. MrsCoffee Dec 2018 #38

wow big tough woman Guppy Dec 2018 #42

Representation is selfish? Squinch Dec 2018 #75

I assume that almost all of us did just that in 2016 nt karynnj Dec 2018 #34

Perhaps you should reflect a bit on what you wrote. Caliman73 Dec 2018 #65

Stacey Abrams and Gillum's Positions were not the same as Beto's BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #71

*sigh* ismnotwasm Dec 2018 #9

Whiteness is a VERY VISIBLE standard. Caliman73 Dec 2018 #68

I think default is a better word ismnotwasm Dec 2018 #74

Definitely Caliman73 Dec 2018 #76

You miss the point. cilla4progress Dec 2018 #10

Additional, yes but that does not mean that - in total - they would beat all white males karynnj Dec 2018 #27

For me, race and sex are just two factors I consider. Adrahil Dec 2018 #57

I agree. But no matter how you phrase it.. LakeArenal Dec 2018 #11

True. A lot of that twisting you refer to is obvious projection. borgesian Dec 2018 #36

Thank You -- this is exactly how it should be looked at karynnj Dec 2018 #13

I've always voted for policy. I don't give a damn what is between Autumn Dec 2018 #14

It's almost as if you're taking an adult approach to your decision. BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #35

the plain fact of the matter is mopinko Dec 2018 #15

Let then push their way through and show us what they got. Adrahil Dec 2018 #22

yeah, sure, the cream rises to the top. mopinko Dec 2018 #23

Your "wall of white penises" comment is not to far off...maybe it's time to try something different InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #85

edit sorry kcr Dec 2018 #118

I plan to support my Democratic Party's candidates FakeNoose Dec 2018 #17

+1 /nt LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #18

Pretty sure we all will. MrsCoffee Dec 2018 #26

So do I. But if the primary is between a Democratic man and a Democratic woman, Squinch Dec 2018 #86

I am with you. nt jrthin Dec 2018 #30

I agree with you. DavidDvorkin Dec 2018 #39

From a fellow longtime Dem living in AZ ... +1 mr_lebowski Dec 2018 #44

you are correct that women face a steeper uphill climb than men, MariePinchon Dec 2018 #59

A male who's shown solid and unequivocable support for women's issues mr_lebowski Dec 2018 #82

I'll vote for the most qualified candidate, like always BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #46

We've never elected a woman as President, either. NT WeekiWater Dec 2018 #54

I voted in the Texas primary and the general election for the best candidate Gothmog Dec 2018 #60

I voted for Obama. I also voted for a black man. LanternWaste Dec 2018 #61

I understand the sentiment. Caliman73 Dec 2018 #63

I base my vote... quickesst Dec 2018 #94

Among Democrats, being a woman weighs a LOT. Sparkly Dec 2018 #98

I vote for what's between their legs and the hue of their skin. Every time. nt MadDAsHell Dec 2018 #102

Well said! +1!!! Devil Child Dec 2018 #107

You did vote for a woman, but that's not why you voted for her... cynatnite Dec 2018 #109

Sorry, but it doesn't work that way kcr Dec 2018 #119