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The Velveteen Ocelot

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12. The Espionage Act pertains to giving national defense secrets

Wed Dec 19, 2018, 12:43 PM

Dec 2018

to foreign governments, and I don't think he had any to give at the time he was trying to be Kislyak's BFF. Which isn't to say that what he was doing wasn't dastardly; it just doesn't fit the statutory definition of espionage. They certainly would have charged him with it if it did. What he did do was tell Kislyak to hold off retaliating for Obama's expulsion of diplomats and other sanctions until Trump took office, but that wasn't a national defense secret.

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Judge Sullivan & Flynn: I too wondered why Mueller team recommended no jail... [View all] Equinox Moon Dec 2018 OP

One theory I heard was that Flynn provided info about a major crime by someone above him. LonePirate Dec 2018 #1

So he knew things that Papadopolous didn't know. greymattermom Dec 2018 #2

He would have to testify in some court setting about that crime before he should be relieved lancelyons Dec 2018 #5

If Flynn was also involved/implicated in the major crime, he would have an incentive to confess. LonePirate Dec 2018 #10

What if EffieBlack Dec 2018 #11

Possible, but a dicey move gratuitous Dec 2018 #16

I assume that whatever Flynn gave him was worth the deal he struck EffieBlack Dec 2018 #21

That was Malcolm Nance's thinking NewJeffCT Dec 2018 #20

Mueller went easy on Sammy the Bull to get Gotti. Squinch Dec 2018 #3

I think that ship had already sailed. Goodheart Dec 2018 #7

My theory: Mueller did this as a setup FakeNoose Dec 2018 #4

Yeah, I was thinking along the same lines canetoad Dec 2018 #32

I expressed the same sentiment here when Mueller's sentencing recommendation was first made public Goodheart Dec 2018 #6

Flynn sounds like a spy to me. Why is this not the label being used? Equinox Moon Dec 2018 #8

The Espionage Act pertains to giving national defense secrets The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2018 #12

Okay, so that is why he isn't being called a spy. Equinox Moon Dec 2018 #13

Technically he's not a spy. But he is a traitorous dirtbag. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2018 #17

He was head of the Defense Intelligence Agency. kentuck Dec 2018 #42

Because he gave up info to get the big fish Thrill Dec 2018 #9

I think they gave him a pass cause he wore a wire mitch96 Dec 2018 #28

Yep, it could be how he got Pence FakeNoose Dec 2018 #43

Does for me as well. triron Dec 2018 #14

I'm willing to give Mueller the benefit of the doubt. aikoaiko Dec 2018 #15

Nope. Don't ever trust a republican. rockfordfile Dec 2018 #18

I think the simplest answer is often the right one genxlib Dec 2018 #19

I think it's even simpler than that EffieBlack Dec 2018 #22

Right. Translation: White, good-ole'-boys club. Equinox Moon Dec 2018 #23

I thought it was a no-brainer PDittie Dec 2018 #24

Flynn's reputation is ruined and that was enough for Mueller Buckeyeblue Dec 2018 #25

Yet he is still a hero to the Trumpasses rusty fender Dec 2018 #27

Hopefully it'll make sense when this is all over Buckeyeblue Dec 2018 #30

Yes! rusty fender Dec 2018 #31

"Something's not adding up in Mueller's no jail-time sentence" Equinox Moon Dec 2018 #34

Mueller knows the "why's" and we don't......yet. Firestorm49 Dec 2018 #26

I don't see how we know enough to make the claim of Mueller being soft. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #29

I am also going by what Judge Sullivan said and how he said it. Equinox Moon Dec 2018 #33

He also backed down from some of what he said. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #35

I know they say he cooperated and that is why, I don't see that as good enough. IMO Equinox Moon Dec 2018 #36

Crooked cronies don't elbow up with snitches. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #40

maybe flynn delivered trump? spanone Dec 2018 #37

That would be great. Yet Flynn needs consequences. Equinox Moon Dec 2018 #38

It's untruthful to say Mueller recommended no jail Kaleva Dec 2018 #39

You're correct. Yet the media keeps pushing the no jail time narrative. Why? triron Dec 2018 #41

The article I linked to said no such thing. Kaleva Dec 2018 #45

If Trump can dangle pardons - so can Mueller lame54 Dec 2018 #44

Yep. That's why I caution against all the "wait until Mueller's report comes out" ecstatic Dec 2018 #46

I am with you on this. Equinox Moon Dec 2018 #47