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Prophet 451

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24. I'm of two minds on the subject

Reply to whatchamacallit (Original post)

Sat Aug 18, 2012, 05:10 PM

Aug 2012

On the one hand, I believe very strongly in justice and the rule of law (I am considering having the phrase "fiat justitia, ruat caelum" tattooed around my collarbone). So I believe Mr Assange should be subject to the same laws as anyone else which means he should appear and be questioned concerning the charges against him. I believe Roman Polanski should be returned to prison as well. Naturally, Mr Assange is also entitled to the same rights and protections as any other person accused of a crime.

That said, the fact that several governments are going to such lengths over the charges makes it blatantly obvious that the PtB have it in for him. He is being pursued not because of the charges against him but because he is politically inconvenient to the PtB

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What motivates the outrage over Julian Assange's Political Asylum? [View all] whatchamacallit Aug 2012 OP

If there are two sides to the Assange issue... randome Aug 2012 #1

Right, ok whatchamacallit Aug 2012 #2

I'm drawn to subjects like this BECAUSE they are difficult to parse and understand. randome Aug 2012 #3

*derp* No one is buying that. Zorra Aug 2012 #9

You *meant* to prove him right with that response, right? Robb Aug 2012 #40

Did you have any objection to the spamming of the board yesterday sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #16

You begin by mischaracterizing your opponent? One need not think of Assange as a "hero" to think Marr Aug 2012 #105

Knowing what their government actually does is frightening to many people who yearn to believe in Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2012 #4

Yep. Assange aired our government's dirty laundry. backscatter712 Aug 2012 #6

"They" means President Obama, right? brooklynite Aug 2012 #15

Included, of course tama Aug 2012 #35

Since I'm not a leftist or a revolutionary, I guess I'm immune from conspiracy theories brooklynite Aug 2012 #37

I am immune to conspiracy theories also. That's why I support the new media sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #55

propanganda and brainwashing datasuspect Aug 2012 #5

Yep. Except on DU. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #41

Yep. We must maintain a civilized atmosphere of cordiality and respect. backscatter712 Aug 2012 #43

Astroturfers. Like someone here since 2004, 4,000 posts Robb Aug 2012 #44

The reason for some, at least, sensational word attached to the accusations intaglio Aug 2012 #7

That's a reasonable assessment of the issues, but whatchamacallit Aug 2012 #8

He's not properly charged with anything, he's wanted for questioning in Sweden. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #10

Great assessment. I'd stipulate also that there's also a great deal of misogyny riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #11

Yet another "pro-Assange" person that has no idea what the allegations even are TorchTheWitch Aug 2012 #12

They are WRONG because the women themselves don't call it rape, nor want charges. riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #17

On the matter of rape intaglio Aug 2012 #51

I think you are confusing two different issues reorg Aug 2012 #52

You are not talking about a legal system based on Common Law intaglio Aug 2012 #56

I know reorg Aug 2012 #57

Patriarchal and paternal structure designed to strip women of their own authority riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #62

I agree, it is currently humiliating and degrading in an adversarial court system intaglio Aug 2012 #69

Sweden has some of the WOST prosecution rates of rape in Europe riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #70

Please remember I am a supporter of Assange intaglio Aug 2012 #84

Both women told very different stories about their consensual sexual sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #19

Hmm tama Aug 2012 #36

Obviously, you have never bothered to study the facts reorg Aug 2012 #48

Like many you are confusing Complaint and Charge intaglio Aug 2012 #50

two things Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #59

There is precedent for the prosecutor examining Assange in the UK intaglio Aug 2012 #61

The UK court found that the European Warrant for Assange indicated rape was one of the charges struggle4progress Aug 2012 #100

Who is outraged? treestar Aug 2012 #13

Lol! whatchamacallit Aug 2012 #14

+1000000000 kaboombs more. nt riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #18

When does he ever talk about them or when do those on this board? treestar Aug 2012 #20

Keep throwing those strawman arguments! backscatter712 Aug 2012 #22

How have you responded to what I said? treestar Aug 2012 #25

He has talked about them consistently over the past number of years. Just because sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #23

Why don't you mention them then? treestar Aug 2012 #26

You can try this: http://wikileaks.org/ Comrade Grumpy Aug 2012 #109

Oh really? I don't see anything about that treestar Aug 2012 #28

Is he wanted here? I thought you were all saying he is imagining that the US sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #33

Nope, journalism is not a crime... HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #42

I don't know, I saw the crimes against humanity and hoped that something sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #21

I'm of two minds on the subject Prophet 451 Aug 2012 #24

Bingo. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #31

He has appeared and he has been questioned, in Sweden. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #34

You must have a rather unique definition of availablity. cemaphonic Aug 2012 #39

No, there is no question that he has been available for two years to speak to the sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #46

Well yes, Sweden never wanted to merely "speak" with him in the UK as an informal witness, cemaphonic Aug 2012 #49

I'm sorry, but this is simply not true. He has already been arrested in London sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #54

I don't see why they can't go after him for this treestar Aug 2012 #72

If only "they" had a better record, it might not seem like such petty persecution. Pholus Aug 2012 #76

So you're saying because the UK decided not to extradite Pinochet to Spain then treestar Aug 2012 #77

Obviously it is their perogative to selectively enforce their laws. Pholus Aug 2012 #80

It would take really finding out treestar Aug 2012 #92

I hardly "like Julian" that much. However, Pholus Aug 2012 #94

This is a different process tjwmason Aug 2012 #110

OK, so "totally different." Pholus Aug 2012 #111

But that's the point, he has never been charged with that Prophet 451 Aug 2012 #86

He's identifying what a War Hero warned orpupilofnature57 Aug 2012 #27

Exactly!!! Ike knew it then and now is a zillion times worse. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2012 #30

Many don't like mirrors held up IMO and react accordingly. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2012 #29

Outrage can be bought. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #32

That's right. Astroturfers and Psy-Ops operatives do not exist here. Just ask them. n/t backscatter712 Aug 2012 #38

This railroading attempt is an insult to any thinking persons intelligence. 99Forever Aug 2012 #45

and this obstruction of justice is an insult to any who value justice, so whats yer point? Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #60

What "obstruction of justice" would that be? 99Forever Aug 2012 #63

speaking truth to power isn't a permission slip to break the law(nor a get out of jail card ) n/t Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #74

One MORE time. 99Forever Aug 2012 #78

he can't bloody be charged properly until after the interview he skipped from Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #81

Hogwash. 99Forever Aug 2012 #87

i'm not fooling anybody Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #90

Every phony talking point you are trying to make has been .. 99Forever Aug 2012 #91

follow my posts that much do you? i'm flattered :) n/t Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #93

Huh? 99Forever Aug 2012 #95

hey, i'm only taking you at your word :) Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #96

Justice for who? The women who say there's no crime? riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #64

i haven't seem em say there was no crime Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #73

Oh, then you DO believe women should be stripped of their own authority to make their own decisions riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #75

nope Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #79

What a difference a full translation makes. Thanks, Bodhi bloodWave. n/t pnwmom Aug 2012 #83

And you are skipping all of the other evidence, the women's own texts and sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #104

Where is the part that "describes rape according to swedish law"? HiPointDem Aug 2012 #114

Voluntary one night doesn't mean voluntary the next morning. pnwmom Aug 2012 #82

voluntary five minutes before and not stopping during the incident in question reorg Aug 2012 #85

According to this quote, he entered her when she was asleep. An unconscious woman pnwmom Aug 2012 #88

excuse me, do you require a signature on a written form reorg Aug 2012 #97

According to her statement, she NEVER gave prior consent for sex pnwmom Aug 2012 #98

she was "consenting" several times over reorg Aug 2012 #99

The fact that she had "let it be" when she discovered after intercourse began pnwmom Aug 2012 #101

you still don't even know what you are talking about reorg Aug 2012 #102

She made it perfectly clear that she required him to use a condom. He used one with reluctance pnwmom Aug 2012 #106

if it is rape reorg Aug 2012 #107

"only in the Saudi-Arabia of feminism will a prosecutor construe this as rape." pnwmom Aug 2012 #108

He loved Big Brother. Octafish Aug 2012 #47

What a shit poll. And I'm pro-asylum for Assange. cali Aug 2012 #53

Oh no! whatchamacallit Aug 2012 #65

What motivates the idol worship of St. Julian?...nt SidDithers Aug 2012 #58

mumia must be jealous... dionysus Aug 2012 #113

shallow thinking H2O Man Aug 2012 #66

If MSM did their job in investigating reporting, the world would not avebury Aug 2012 #67

People don't want to believe our country has changed so much that we now allow indefinite detention. Overseas Aug 2012 #68

I've actually had DUers tell me we don't do that anymore. Conveniently ignoring how many in Gitmo riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #71

We were so glad when our president ordered that torture stop on day one. But habeas corpus Overseas Aug 2012 #89

A paycheck. /nt Marr Aug 2012 #103

kick Zorra Aug 2012 #112

Well. woo me with science Aug 2012 #115

kick woo me with science Aug 2012 #116