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9. I'm not ok with those who take money from fossil fuel companies

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Fri Dec 21, 2018, 11:54 AM

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Democrats Just Blocked Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Push For A Green New Deal Committee [View all] Odoreida Dec 2018 OP

Really a bad piece that highlights how Cortez is being used. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #1

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has just been told, "you don't run the House of Representatives." eom DonViejo Dec 2018 #2

And "sit down, woman." Insulting. nt MadDAsHell Dec 2018 #31

They just elected a woman to chair the committee so, I highly doubt that was the message... DonViejo Dec 2018 #34

It was a 6 term congressperson appointed to head the committee. I think the message is "put in your TeamPooka Dec 2018 #44

I don't disagree with you. eom DonViejo Dec 2018 #45

just elaborating on your point for the poster. Happy Holidays! TeamPooka Dec 2018 #46

What!?!? No "Merry Christmas"? ;-) I hope you and yours have some great holidays too! eom DonViejo Dec 2018 #48

No. She's not the only woman involved. Her fans just think she is. pnwmom Dec 2018 #171

This card can not be played every time. A woman was appointed to head the committee. So, no. LBM20 Dec 2018 #190

+1 George II Dec 2018 #184

She could... and, no doubt, soon will once she gets the requisite experience. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #186

No problem for me... brooklynite Dec 2018 #3

Good point Andy823 Dec 2018 #6

Good advice quickesst Dec 2018 #7

yeah, that's what's at issue here. Its just a fight of egos...lets not look at the underlying issues JCanete Dec 2018 #17

Whose ego, do you think? ismnotwasm Dec 2018 #24

somebody else is making it about egos. I'm saying that's bs to focus on this article as JCanete Dec 2018 #27

Agree ismnotwasm Dec 2018 #39

Pelosi was already planning this committee a week or so before the sit-in that Cortez organized. George II Dec 2018 #178

Exactly, and it looked like the main goal was yet some more grandstanding R B Garr Dec 2018 #19

This! happy feet Dec 2018 #41

"The dickens you say!" Thanks sir. George II Dec 2018 #151

From early November WeekiWater Dec 2018 #4

Yes! Thank you,, this is what I remember about it. They just restablished a R B Garr Dec 2018 #14

It's something that should be very positive and popular among progressives. NT WeekiWater Dec 2018 #15

Yes, and the article states that Pelosi started it in 2011, so that's a huge R B Garr Dec 2018 #16

Yes, Pelosi plans to bring back the committee SHE created in 2007 that was disbanded by republicans. George II Dec 2018 #109

Take a look at at least the first link I posted in this op. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #140

comeupance ! stonecutter357 Dec 2018 #5

Comeuppance? A punishment or fate that someone deserves. What has she done that so bad? Autumn Dec 2018 #10

It's not that she did anything bad, it's that she hasn't done a thing yet - she's a freshman... George II Dec 2018 #111

Yeah, so she should shut up, sit down and deserves punishment is what I'm seeing. nt Autumn Dec 2018 #117

Nobody said anything like that at all, I don't know where you got that... George II Dec 2018 #118

Skipped that post did you? Autumn Dec 2018 #121

Tata! George II Dec 2018 #122

Woah. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #131

That is the definition of the word "comeuppance". Mariana Dec 2018 #188

damn the environment bigtree Dec 2018 #35

Did you see the explanation that young people want cookies? Autumn Dec 2018 #58

it all confirms the tyranny of entrenched, corporate-sponsored legislators bigtree Dec 2018 #74

"Corporate-sponsored legislators" and "environmental sell-outs"? George II Dec 2018 #123

I don't need an article to figure that out. bigtree Dec 2018 #141

But what you said is simply not true. George II Dec 2018 #149

you deal with the fact that I believe it it is bigtree Dec 2018 #154

Okay, fine....that proves the George Costanza corollary. George II Dec 2018 #155

cute bigtree Dec 2018 #159

AOC needs to take her seat next month, learn what wasupaloopa Dec 2018 #8

So? Sit down and shut up? Ferrets are Cool Dec 2018 #65

You know as well as I do that I did not say that. wasupaloopa Dec 2018 #104

For asking you a question? Ferrets are Cool Dec 2018 #125

Yes wasupaloopa Dec 2018 #127

Your posts in this thread are rude and disruptive. yardwork Dec 2018 #187

No, sit down and LEARN. And she needs to focus on HER district. LBM20 Dec 2018 #191

A lot of Dem congress people represent me, and I'm not in their districts. Autumn Dec 2018 #192

I'm not ok with those who take money from fossil fuel companies cvoogt Dec 2018 #9

+1 melman Dec 2018 #23

All corporations are prohibited from donating by law. So this is a straw man. n/t pnwmom Dec 2018 #55

PACs, individual executives and front groups abound, though. cvoogt Dec 2018 #60

By law, candidates can't control outside PAC donations, one way or another. pnwmom Dec 2018 #66

I'd love to understand some stats cvoogt Dec 2018 #103

I don't understand why you're using that "equivalent" -- pnwmom Dec 2018 #106

Thx cvoogt Dec 2018 #107

Yes, an individual's donation gets included in the total. pnwmom Dec 2018 #112

Thank you, pnwmom, for correcting the misinformation. betsuni Dec 2018 #115

Thank you! cvoogt Dec 2018 #126

I'm glad you gave that explanation. I've done it so many times it's getting boring.... George II Dec 2018 #145

Okay, which members of the House or Senate "take money from fossil fuel companies"? Any? George II Dec 2018 #142

From open secrets. Org Glamrock Dec 2018 #148

Well, then you must be ok with all the Democrats in the House and Senate since.... George II Dec 2018 #175

direct contributions, no cvoogt Dec 2018 #182

How about politicians who accept money (directly) from out of state or out of district donors? George II Dec 2018 #183

I would think so cvoogt Dec 2018 #195

Good, thanks, I appreciate the candor. I wish everyone who complained about some (not all)... George II Dec 2018 #196

Why? It's what they get in return that matters. Hortensis Dec 2018 #185

Castor sounds weak on Climate Change. GeorgeGist Dec 2018 #11

I haven't checked because I trust Nancy, but if she isn't that will be a problem. Autumn Dec 2018 #21

No, she's just smart enough to know that corporate donations from any industry are illegal. n/t pnwmom Dec 2018 #56

Really? Someone put this list together a day or two ago: George II Dec 2018 #172

... revmclaren Dec 2018 #180

I'm not convinced this is a big deal Renew Deal Dec 2018 #12

I thought this was about just continuing with the existing committee. R B Garr Dec 2018 #13

That is exactly what it is about. Mariana Dec 2018 #197

All in good time. matt819 Dec 2018 #18

We all have 2 ears and 1 tongue and should learn to use them proportionally. elocs Dec 2018 #20

This should have been a peace offering to the younger generation. Vinca Dec 2018 #22

Why does the younger generation need or feel entitled to a "peace offering?" EffieBlack Dec 2018 #25

They're going to be experiencing climate breakdown longer than their parents . . . hatrack Dec 2018 #33

That may be true. EffieBlack Dec 2018 #37

Because the generational shift is here, and it needs to be acknowledged in some way hatrack Dec 2018 #47

That still doesn't answer my question EffieBlack Dec 2018 #49

Post removed Post removed Dec 2018 #52

Wow. A generation burdened with debt, none of the prospects their parents had, they need two jobs Autumn Dec 2018 #57

I had debt as well. Still do. EllieBC Dec 2018 #68

Why should young people be loyal to a party and people who demean them? Autumn Dec 2018 #69

you might have a point if young people voted. Mosby Dec 2018 #84

Young-adult turnout surged by 188 percent in early voting in 2018 compared with 2014. Autumn Dec 2018 #158

Wow, have you considered a job doing outreach to younger voters? hatrack Dec 2018 #70

That's just such bullshit. I've been teaching high school for 20 years Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2018 #63

Do you think the younger generation owes loyalty to Democrats? Autumn Dec 2018 #53

How would you get that from my question! EffieBlack Dec 2018 #88

Those young people made a difference. Nancy should have given them something. Autumn Dec 2018 #89

So, you think they're owed something before they even get sworn in? Ok EffieBlack Dec 2018 #90

Yeah I do. What does AOC and her supporters owe to Nancy? What did she do for AOC Autumn Dec 2018 #91

Seriously? EffieBlack Dec 2018 #101

Yes serious. How did she get AOC elected? What did she do for the Autumn Dec 2018 #105

Well sheshe2 Dec 2018 #120

About 75% of the district is in Queens, only 25% is in the Bronx. George II Dec 2018 #193

I'm still curious how Nancy made AOC's victory possible. Did she campaign for her? Autumn Dec 2018 #173

That's such a ridiculous question, it's not even worth wasting my time to answer it EffieBlack Dec 2018 #176

Excuse me? Silly question? You made the statement that Nancy made their victories possible, Autumn Dec 2018 #179

I think it would be a gesture of good will. We need to bridge the generational gap because Vinca Dec 2018 #93

That's a one-way street? EffieBlack Dec 2018 #102

No. I don't know why you would think that. Green is good for everyone. Vinca Dec 2018 #108

Didn't she already get a really nice perk? calimary Dec 2018 #181

That's not really a "perk" EffieBlack Dec 2018 #189

I thought Kathy Castor looks pretty young. n R B Garr Dec 2018 #32

Whaaa? A peace offering? Did I miss a war? Squinch Dec 2018 #79

AOC rattles some people's cages pecosbob Dec 2018 #26

Beautifully said, Pecosbob Power 2 the People Dec 2018 #43

Thanks Ciaphas Cain Dec 2018 #128

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Green New Deal Committee Is Winning Even In Defeat oberliner Dec 2018 #28

The article jumps to conclusions before We even take the House RandySF Dec 2018 #29

Rep. Kathy Castor is a great choice for this committee Gothmog Dec 2018 #30

Perhaps AOC & Her Pals Should at Least Get Sworn In First dlk Dec 2018 #36

This was very disrespectful to her. I'm disappointed. Joe941 Dec 2018 #38

RESPECT is a Two Way Street. Cha Dec 2018 #129

Oh, you mean the freshman congresscritter who's been getting in everyone's face before even... Hekate Dec 2018 #40

+10000000 happy feet Dec 2018 #42

the 'steep learning curve' isn't as steep as you represent bigtree Dec 2018 #50

NRDC: Rep. Castor an Outstanding Leader for New House Climate Panel Cha Dec 2018 #133

Democrats are not "weak on climate change;" they have however been in the minority. Now... Hekate Dec 2018 #139

Legislating is a group effort jberryhill Dec 2018 #51

What does it mean to "bar members who accept money from fossil fuel companies"? pnwmom Dec 2018 #54

So now we have Democrats making the argument KPN Dec 2018 #59

Now now, you know all those donations come from the little people who work for those Autumn Dec 2018 #61

The maximum anyone can give is $2500 and the vast number of donations pnwmom Dec 2018 #72

DId I mention voting? Difference between donating and voting. Those little people can always Autumn Dec 2018 #75

Politicians represent all people in their state or districts. They can't bar pnwmom Dec 2018 #77

Yeah preach it. Autumn Dec 2018 #80

Misrepresenting the facts about donations is wrong, no matter who does it or why. n/t pnwmom Dec 2018 #81

Nobody is misrepresenting the facts about donations. We all fucking know how those Autumn Dec 2018 #83

I've seen many people misrepresent the facts about donations. pnwmom Dec 2018 #86

A mechanic at a Shell service station is categorized as the "oil industry" or "fossil fuel industry" George II Dec 2018 #152

That's what I'm thinking. cvoogt Dec 2018 #62

Candidates can't accept donations from corporations, period. pnwmom Dec 2018 #73

No, we have some ignorant people. No one in Congress accepts donations from the oil industry, pnwmom Dec 2018 #71

Do you think people who work at oil companies will donate to a politicians campaign when Autumn Dec 2018 #76

It depends on the person and their job. Many people at these companies pnwmom Dec 2018 #82

I know oil workers. Tell that bs to someone else. Autumn Dec 2018 #85

You don't know all oil workers. nt pnwmom Dec 2018 #87

AOC accepted money from donors in the commercial banking, investment banking, lapucelle Dec 2018 #135

Thank you for providing that important context, lapucelle! n/t pnwmom Dec 2018 #143

Me too. The ones I know still have Trump/Pence stickers on their KPN Dec 2018 #92

Yep, and the last thing on their minds is concern about Medicare and SS. Autumn Dec 2018 #94

Or the first thing in the case of objections to taxes. KPN Dec 2018 #96

Yeah, and don't fuck with their oil field jobs. Autumn Dec 2018 #97

This message was self-deleted by its author MrsCoffee Dec 2018 #174

Right. KPN Dec 2018 #95

But superPACS, which can accept unlimited amounts, direct their own funds. pnwmom Dec 2018 #98

PACs? KPN Dec 2018 #160

If PAC money is going directly to a candidate, the donors still have to comply pnwmom Dec 2018 #169

This is the important line in this piece... Ferrets are Cool Dec 2018 #64

Nancy and the Dems need to understand if they are planning business as usual that Autumn Dec 2018 #99

Nancy and our BLUE WAVE Democratic Party Cha Dec 2018 #110

AOC and her supporters are part "your" of your BLUE WAVE Democratic Party. nt Autumn Dec 2018 #119

Oh yes, My BLUE WAVE Democratic Party. I know Cha Dec 2018 #124

Though I generally like it, I think your optimism KPN Dec 2018 #165

I agree 1000%. KPN Dec 2018 #163

And this is why I oppose this site's rule against criticism of Dems. FiveGoodMen Dec 2018 #100

Oh, and Who are the "bad" ones? The Democractic Cha Dec 2018 #130

Seems that way -- even at 68. I'm growing KPN Dec 2018 #162

If a No Fossil Fuel Industry Donations Rule Were Put in Place, It Wouldn't Survive a Court Challenge dlk Dec 2018 #164

NRDC: Rep. Castor an Outstanding Leader for New House Climate Panel Cha Dec 2018 #67

Actually it wasn't Her "Green New Deal", its been around for at least 11 years PhrankT Dec 2018 #78

Yes indeed, and in 2009 Obama proposed the "Green New Deal". George II Dec 2018 #116

Actually, neither the headline nor the article Mariana Dec 2018 #194

A little background and history of the "Green New Deal"..... George II Dec 2018 #113

Thank you, George, for helping to correct the constant misinformation. betsuni Dec 2018 #114

Removing the AOC-related hype, here are the main issues with what happened Celerity Dec 2018 #132

Yeah, let's do remove the AOC Hype. Cha Dec 2018 #134

good hands with no legislative power, perhaps no subpoena power, no mandate for any concrete Celerity Dec 2018 #138

I'm glad Castor is not calling people corrupt just to support R B Garr Dec 2018 #136

Committees don't introduce bills, members do. Committees hold hearings and vote to report bills.... George II Dec 2018 #137

Environment & Energy News - actually one of the better environmental news sites out there hatrack Dec 2018 #147

If the committee cannot report the bill (or will not) then a single member can try and introduce Celerity Dec 2018 #150

True, but you're only confirming my point - committees don't introduce bills, members do. George II Dec 2018 #153

But the committee has to vote to report or a discharge petition Celerity Dec 2018 #156

So you're saying that Democrats neutered this committee and made it toothless because they betsuni Dec 2018 #144

no, those are your words Celerity Dec 2018 #146

Yeah, what was up with all that nonsense?! and Cha Dec 2018 #166

We'll be seeing this for the next two years! betsuni Dec 2018 #167

I know.. lucky us. We've Cha Dec 2018 #168

And it's fine that Republicans are the dark money corrupt ones with enormous funds and power. betsuni Dec 2018 #170

First, Is AOC even in Congress YET? LovingA2andMI Dec 2018 #157

Pelosi Wants to To Bring Back The House Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming dlk Dec 2018 #161

She announced that days before the publicity stunt outside her office in November. George II Dec 2018 #198

Remember: Republicans want us to fight each other sharedvalues Dec 2018 #177