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71. No, we have some ignorant people. No one in Congress accepts donations from the oil industry,

Fri Dec 21, 2018, 05:16 PM

Dec 2018

the banking industry, or any other industry.

Accepting any corporate donations is prohibited by law. PACS outside of the candidate's control -- so-called dark money -- CAN accept those donations, thanks to the SCOTUS decision of Citizens v. United.

But, again, candidates don't control that money. And acting in coordination with those PACS (as we believe the NRA did with the R's) is against the law.

What Congress members CAN accept are individual donations, up to $2500, from people who work at corporations, like my husband. His individual donation gets lumped in with everyone else's and then is reported as coming from the aerospace industry. But the industry didn't tell my husband who to vote for, so people get the wrong impression when they hear that the "industry" or his "corporation" gave money to such and such a candidate. The industry didn't. Its employees, with all their different opinions, did.

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Democrats Just Blocked Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Push For A Green New Deal Committee [View all] Odoreida Dec 2018 OP

Really a bad piece that highlights how Cortez is being used. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #1

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has just been told, "you don't run the House of Representatives." eom DonViejo Dec 2018 #2

And "sit down, woman." Insulting. nt MadDAsHell Dec 2018 #31

They just elected a woman to chair the committee so, I highly doubt that was the message... DonViejo Dec 2018 #34

It was a 6 term congressperson appointed to head the committee. I think the message is "put in your TeamPooka Dec 2018 #44

I don't disagree with you. eom DonViejo Dec 2018 #45

just elaborating on your point for the poster. Happy Holidays! TeamPooka Dec 2018 #46

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+1 George II Dec 2018 #184

She could... and, no doubt, soon will once she gets the requisite experience. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #186

No problem for me... brooklynite Dec 2018 #3

Good point Andy823 Dec 2018 #6

Good advice quickesst Dec 2018 #7

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Whose ego, do you think? ismnotwasm Dec 2018 #24

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Agree ismnotwasm Dec 2018 #39

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This! happy feet Dec 2018 #41

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From early November WeekiWater Dec 2018 #4

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It's something that should be very positive and popular among progressives. NT WeekiWater Dec 2018 #15

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Take a look at at least the first link I posted in this op. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #140

comeupance ! stonecutter357 Dec 2018 #5

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Yeah, so she should shut up, sit down and deserves punishment is what I'm seeing. nt Autumn Dec 2018 #117

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Skipped that post did you? Autumn Dec 2018 #121

Tata! George II Dec 2018 #122

Woah. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #131

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you deal with the fact that I believe it it is bigtree Dec 2018 #154

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cute bigtree Dec 2018 #159

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For asking you a question? Ferrets are Cool Dec 2018 #125

Yes wasupaloopa Dec 2018 #127

Your posts in this thread are rude and disruptive. yardwork Dec 2018 #187

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+1 melman Dec 2018 #23

All corporations are prohibited from donating by law. So this is a straw man. n/t pnwmom Dec 2018 #55

PACs, individual executives and front groups abound, though. cvoogt Dec 2018 #60

By law, candidates can't control outside PAC donations, one way or another. pnwmom Dec 2018 #66

I'd love to understand some stats cvoogt Dec 2018 #103

I don't understand why you're using that "equivalent" -- pnwmom Dec 2018 #106

Thx cvoogt Dec 2018 #107

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Thank you, pnwmom, for correcting the misinformation. betsuni Dec 2018 #115

Thank you! cvoogt Dec 2018 #126

I'm glad you gave that explanation. I've done it so many times it's getting boring.... George II Dec 2018 #145

Okay, which members of the House or Senate "take money from fossil fuel companies"? Any? George II Dec 2018 #142

From open secrets. Org Glamrock Dec 2018 #148

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direct contributions, no cvoogt Dec 2018 #182

How about politicians who accept money (directly) from out of state or out of district donors? George II Dec 2018 #183

I would think so cvoogt Dec 2018 #195

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Castor sounds weak on Climate Change. GeorgeGist Dec 2018 #11

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... revmclaren Dec 2018 #180

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That may be true. EffieBlack Dec 2018 #37

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Post removed Post removed Dec 2018 #52

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I had debt as well. Still do. EllieBC Dec 2018 #68

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you might have a point if young people voted. Mosby Dec 2018 #84

Young-adult turnout surged by 188 percent in early voting in 2018 compared with 2014. Autumn Dec 2018 #158

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How would you get that from my question! EffieBlack Dec 2018 #88

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So now we have Democrats making the argument KPN Dec 2018 #59

Now now, you know all those donations come from the little people who work for those Autumn Dec 2018 #61

The maximum anyone can give is $2500 and the vast number of donations pnwmom Dec 2018 #72

DId I mention voting? Difference between donating and voting. Those little people can always Autumn Dec 2018 #75

Politicians represent all people in their state or districts. They can't bar pnwmom Dec 2018 #77

Yeah preach it. Autumn Dec 2018 #80

Misrepresenting the facts about donations is wrong, no matter who does it or why. n/t pnwmom Dec 2018 #81

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I've seen many people misrepresent the facts about donations. pnwmom Dec 2018 #86

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That's what I'm thinking. cvoogt Dec 2018 #62

Candidates can't accept donations from corporations, period. pnwmom Dec 2018 #73

No, we have some ignorant people. No one in Congress accepts donations from the oil industry, pnwmom Dec 2018 #71

Do you think people who work at oil companies will donate to a politicians campaign when Autumn Dec 2018 #76

It depends on the person and their job. Many people at these companies pnwmom Dec 2018 #82

I know oil workers. Tell that bs to someone else. Autumn Dec 2018 #85

You don't know all oil workers. nt pnwmom Dec 2018 #87

AOC accepted money from donors in the commercial banking, investment banking, lapucelle Dec 2018 #135

Thank you for providing that important context, lapucelle! n/t pnwmom Dec 2018 #143

Me too. The ones I know still have Trump/Pence stickers on their KPN Dec 2018 #92

Yep, and the last thing on their minds is concern about Medicare and SS. Autumn Dec 2018 #94

Or the first thing in the case of objections to taxes. KPN Dec 2018 #96

Yeah, and don't fuck with their oil field jobs. Autumn Dec 2018 #97

This message was self-deleted by its author MrsCoffee Dec 2018 #174

Right. KPN Dec 2018 #95

But superPACS, which can accept unlimited amounts, direct their own funds. pnwmom Dec 2018 #98

PACs? KPN Dec 2018 #160

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This is the important line in this piece... Ferrets are Cool Dec 2018 #64

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Nancy and our BLUE WAVE Democratic Party Cha Dec 2018 #110

AOC and her supporters are part "your" of your BLUE WAVE Democratic Party. nt Autumn Dec 2018 #119

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I agree 1000%. KPN Dec 2018 #163

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A little background and history of the "Green New Deal"..... George II Dec 2018 #113

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good hands with no legislative power, perhaps no subpoena power, no mandate for any concrete Celerity Dec 2018 #138

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Committees don't introduce bills, members do. Committees hold hearings and vote to report bills.... George II Dec 2018 #137

Environment & Energy News - actually one of the better environmental news sites out there hatrack Dec 2018 #147

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Yeah, what was up with all that nonsense?! and Cha Dec 2018 #166

We'll be seeing this for the next two years! betsuni Dec 2018 #167

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She announced that days before the publicity stunt outside her office in November. George II Dec 2018 #198

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