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45. Oh, so you approve of the catchy meme, just not their use of it?

Sat Dec 22, 2018, 02:07 PM

Dec 2018

How is its use beating up on Pelosi? (BTW, huge supporter of Pelosi here -- always have been). I don't buy it. How is promoting a proposal to accomplish good ends a negative. I don't see it. To me, there's a boat load of sour grapes formed out of a "pay your dues" mentality going on here.

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Seems the "Green New Deal" isn't such a new idea, nor revolutionary. [View all] George II Dec 2018 OP

yea.. none of those ideas are new nini Dec 2018 #1

None of the proposals in this plan are original Gothmog Dec 2018 #25

Been part of the Dem platform for years, just as many of the ideas of a certain senator... brush Dec 2018 #26

The New Deal isn't new either, but many of us could use one. DemocracyMouse Dec 2018 #83

President Obama's Green New Deal as well. PhrankT Dec 2018 #2

K&R betsuni Dec 2018 #3

Thank You, George.. for the origins of The New Green Cha Dec 2018 #4

Actually someone sent me that article earlier today. Figured we were due a little dose of reality. George II Dec 2018 #5

Definitely need a dose of reality around here. Cha Dec 2018 #6

Where is the problem? DemocracyMouse Dec 2018 #86

I'm grateful the OP posted Cha Dec 2018 #89

The history is helpful, but it was framed negatively. DemocracyMouse Dec 2018 #91

I seem to recall VP Al Gore speaking up about climate change mcar Dec 2018 #7

Yes indeed, and Jimmy Carter was ahead of the curve, too. As President.... George II Dec 2018 #8

Forgot about Carter's good work mcar Dec 2018 #9

+1 betsuni Dec 2018 #14

A lot of it is cribbed from Martin O'Malley's plans from his last run for the WH. FSogol Dec 2018 #10

That's all from 2016, but Obama was all over it seven years earlier in 2009. George II Dec 2018 #11

Yeah, like clean coal. progressoid Dec 2018 #19

WTF? George II Dec 2018 #23

I thought we were talking about green energy and stuff re: Obama progressoid Dec 2018 #74

Henry David Thoreau was pushing green thinking over a century ago... DemocracyMouse Dec 2018 #90

Lol Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2018 #35

Is snark the only thing you have to offer, as if there were no green initiatives... brush Dec 2018 #52

Yeah, I guess in the day of trump it's okay to take shots at President Obama. Such is life. George II Dec 2018 #75

Sorry, I just get the memo. progressoid Dec 2018 #97

Mentioning clean coal and Obama is a pot shot? Autumn Dec 2018 #102

Apparently it is. progressoid Dec 2018 #107

You know you're though the looking glass when mentioning what a Dem Autumn Dec 2018 #109

Just taking cues from the OP. progressoid Dec 2018 #106

Is that all ya got? That's the only "insult" Cha Dec 2018 #64

Any chance he will try again? question everything Dec 2018 #12

Don't know. This appears to be the age of the amateur and rhetoric FSogol Dec 2018 #20

Not even a little bit. ismnotwasm Dec 2018 #13

Oh snap! sheshe2 Dec 2018 #15

PS sheshe2 Dec 2018 #16

You too! ismnotwasm Dec 2018 #27

I also don't see where Castor outright dismissed it. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #17

It's the usual propaganda meant to divide us. herding cats Dec 2018 #18

That's my take as well. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #21

+1 betsuni Dec 2018 #22

If not divide us, dilute the opposition. We have to make sure it doesn't work this time around. George II Dec 2018 #24

AOS IS us. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2018 #87

I'm going to be very clear here. herding cats Dec 2018 #93

Duh! Who ever thought it was new? KPN Dec 2018 #28

Some are acting like they just came up with the idea recently. George II Dec 2018 #30

The young are taking responsibility, since they will actually have to live in that hellish world. irresistable Dec 2018 #34

No they're actually not melman Dec 2018 #37

Exactly. Some are making shit up. nt. Mariana Dec 2018 #60

Oh? Or is it more like some are acting like they assume some are acting like they just came up KPN Dec 2018 #41

Links please? nt. Mariana Dec 2018 #61

No one ever thought it was something new. Remember, rain is wet. Autumn Dec 2018 #31

Nobody melman Dec 2018 #36

BINGO! KPN Dec 2018 #40

And it's so funny that the OP thinks this is some big 'aha!' or something melman Dec 2018 #51

this thread confirms the need for a renewed, energetic focus, which AOC brings to the table bigtree Dec 2018 #38

You are absolutely right. In a way, behaviorally, it reminds me of 45s stance on the Wall. KPN Dec 2018 #42

Representative-elect Cortez wasn't even mentioned in the OP. George II Dec 2018 #44

clever. bigtree Dec 2018 #46

.. George II Dec 2018 #47

Well aren't you the coy one. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2018 #88

A special committee dedicated to a Green New Deal with subpoena power would be a good thing. irresistable Dec 2018 #29

This was Hillary's platform in 2016. yardwork Dec 2018 #32

just one more reason why we should take action now irresistable Dec 2018 #33

So why the obvious put down of young folks bringing a renewed focus on it? KPN Dec 2018 #43

??? Where have I put down young folks? yardwork Dec 2018 #56

Crickets. Cha Dec 2018 #65

Chirp, chirp, chirp. KPN Dec 2018 #68

uh huh. Cha Dec 2018 #84

Did I say you? No, I didn't. KPN Dec 2018 #67

"So why the obvious put down..." yardwork Dec 2018 #99

There you go again. Did I say you? KPN Dec 2018 #100

I'm not the OP. You seem really confused. yardwork Dec 2018 #101

I'll answer that with another question then. KPN Dec 2018 #105

I was responding to the OP, not you. yardwork Dec 2018 #110

Oh brother. KPN Dec 2018 #111

Trying hard to see what its actual legislative goals were. ucrdem Dec 2018 #39

Oh, so you approve of the catchy meme, just not their use of it? KPN Dec 2018 #45

"Keep up or step aside" ucrdem Dec 2018 #70

Yes. It was never a real program but a platform to attack Democrats from. Hortensis Dec 2018 #62

Exactly, not unlike the Wall Street meme ucrdem Dec 2018 #66

I am so glad that President Obama pushed for these programs Gothmog Dec 2018 #48

cap-and-trade (House passed) died in the Democratic-controlled Senate bigtree Dec 2018 #50

You need 60 votes in Senate Gothmog Dec 2018 #63

that's not the point bigtree Dec 2018 #72

What was the point of attempting to blame the "Democratic-controlled" Senate for betsuni Dec 2018 #77

missed the point completely bigtree Dec 2018 #78

Jump in? My first comment was #3. I've been following this thread. betsuni Dec 2018 #79

you must be talking to yourself in the post directed at me, the one that wasn't directed to you bigtree Dec 2018 #80

Wut. betsuni Dec 2018 #81

blocked bigtree Dec 2018 #82

Lucky You, betsuni! Cha Dec 2018 #85

And it's my first time! Nobody has ever wanted to block me before. betsuni Dec 2018 #95

lol.. well you did Cha Dec 2018 #96

He did. I agree. So why can't AOC and KPN Dec 2018 #69

These are not new programs and she should give President Obama credit for using his ideas Gothmog Dec 2018 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Dec 2018 #73

Ha! Cha Dec 2018 #94

Okay, so again, who said they were new? I didn't hear that from KPN Dec 2018 #98

But one deserving of support? oberliner Dec 2018 #49

That's a good question melman Dec 2018 #54

Of course it does, and Democrats have been supporting this for decades. Remember Al Gore? George II Dec 2018 #55

Actually Nixon was pro-environment before Gore Quixote1818 Dec 2018 #59

No one compares to Al Gore on this issue. Speaking R B Garr Dec 2018 #103

But the same resource industry billionaires, guillaumeb Dec 2018 #53

Obamacare wasn't original either. Few things are. Quixote1818 Dec 2018 #57

Nobody said it was.. but it got passed and Cha Dec 2018 #58

Politicians aren't looking for copyrights... HopeAgain Dec 2018 #76

MOST politicians aren't looking for copyrights. George II Dec 2018 #92

K&R! Great info. Thanks to Friedman and thanks to you R B Garr Dec 2018 #104

Well it's not like FDR invented Keynesian economics Bucky Dec 2018 #108