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bitterross

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22. He doesn't have the votes.

Reply to Goodheart (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2018, 02:05 PM

Dec 2018

Two problems there. He doesn't have the votes to do it. There are more senators retiring than he can cover with Mike Pence's tie-breaking vote.

Second problem: There are plenty of GOP senators who don't want the wall. Who think it's a stupid boon-doggle and so does their constituency. They're more than happy to stay silent in public right now and allow this to be an issue of the filibuster. They are most likely telling McTurtle in private they cannot vote to change the rules because then, they'll be on record for the wall. Which everyone outside Trump's Cult knows is a stupid thing. They don't want to have to defend their vote later to the independents and the "rational" GOP voters.

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My prediction: McConnell will go nuclear. [View all] Goodheart Dec 2018 OP

It's not just his decision. Low odds. Nt BootinUp Dec 2018 #1

The odds will grow with each passing day. Goodheart Dec 2018 #2

is it legal if budget is involved? i thought i heard it wasnt samnsara Dec 2018 #3

The Senate can make its own rules. Goodheart Dec 2018 #4

And those rules can Wellstone ruled Dec 2018 #11

I think the odds actually just grew that we may get 20 for removal. roamer65 Dec 2018 #5

I just made that point in another post. I agree! Goodheart Dec 2018 #6

Especially when polling shows they are going to lose their jobs. roamer65 Dec 2018 #16

I suspect he doesn't have the votes to pass such a rule change. tblue37 Dec 2018 #7

I think you are correct- Senate only has 48 votes for rule change which falls short of majority wishstar Dec 2018 #12

current Senate is too tight qazplm135 Dec 2018 #8

No. He doesn't have the GOP votes to change the rules, even if he wanted to, and he doesn't. highplainsdem Dec 2018 #9

How often have we heard that before...? regnaD kciN Dec 2018 #20

The filibuster has no value in 12 days so he would need a lot of pressure to kill it. LonePirate Dec 2018 #10

A hell of a lot of the votes he needs to make a rule change know THEY will need the rule in 2 years RockRaven Dec 2018 #15

The filibuster will have no value in 12 days, because we'll have guaranteed gridlock... regnaD kciN Dec 2018 #19

He needs a majority. He doesn't have one unblock Dec 2018 #13

I dare him to and once repukes do standingtall Dec 2018 #14

Yes!!!! populistdriven Dec 2018 #18

I hope so, make it that much easier to delete everything Trump and GOP did populistdriven Dec 2018 #17

I can't see it. Adrahil Dec 2018 #21

He doesn't have the votes. bitterross Dec 2018 #22

I don't think he'll do it. ReformedGOPer Dec 2018 #23