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80. Let's not blame kids with disabilities for the poor state of our education system.

Tue Dec 25, 2018, 11:36 AM

Dec 2018

The idea that kids with disabilities being mainstreamed is responsible for the slide in education standards is a right wing talking point. Conservatives would rather see kids with disabilities shunted into basements or state residential "schools"--as in the "good old days" when anyone who was in any way different from mainstream norms was hidden away.

Blaming kids with disabilities ignores decades of underfunding, the rise of charter schools and the subsequent undermining of teachers' unions and siphoning off of students from more affluent families into gated education, the plethora of distractions that have replaced reading, and in general the denigration of teachers and education and learning and anything that smacks of "elitism" or intellectualism. Maybe if we treated teaching as an honorable and important profession, and education as the social imperative it is, we wouldn't see the monstrosities in public life we're seeing today.

But as you say, Twitter and social media in general most likely play a role.

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Do kids take English in school anymore? [View all] leftyladyfrommo Dec 2018 OP

Apparently only as a foreign language. The official language of late is Republicanese DFW Dec 2018 #1

Missed a couple... LakeSuperiorView Dec 2018 #9

In self-defense.... DFW Dec 2018 #30

Let's not blame kids with disabilities for the poor state of our education system. thucythucy Dec 2018 #80

+ 1 Raastan Dec 2018 #112

Kids with learning disabilities have rights to special education treestar Dec 2018 #91

I'm in schools every day. Your statement is bullshit. Sounds like something you'd hear on Fox news. Squinch Dec 2018 #106

Oh please. Codeine Dec 2018 #111

+1,000,000 at140 Dec 2018 #131

FB doesn't have spell checkers!!! LeftInTX Dec 2018 #204

Bingo. tavernier Dec 2018 #196

Admittedly, I abbreviate a lot CountAllVotes Dec 2018 #139

Rather than replying to all of you who choose to read your own interpretations into what I wrote. LakeSuperiorView Dec 2018 #150

You still don't get it Persondem Dec 2018 #161

No, you do not get it. LakeSuperiorView Dec 2018 #180

Well guess what, I don't live in Texas and neither do most of the people Persondem Dec 2018 #187

Guess what, the Texas school book standards are used in many states... LakeSuperiorView Dec 2018 #191

Of course, the important thing is that you can rationalize your snarkiness as assistance. LanternWaste Dec 2018 #198

Good Lord, hoe obtuse can one be? LakeSuperiorView Dec 2018 #200

As a teacher, I can attest Texas as completely dominating the school textbook market. Ms. Toad Dec 2018 #203

I have two school-age children. Codeine Dec 2018 #167

Do your children attend every school district in the country? LakeSuperiorView Dec 2018 #181

if you had adequate command of the English language, all these posters wouldn't misunderstand CreekDog Dec 2018 #185

One's failure in reading comprehension is not necessarily the problem of the author. LakeSuperiorView Dec 2018 #186

While yet others admit to no mistakes of their own LanternWaste Dec 2018 #199

Please cite, oh enligthened one, where exactly I blamed children... LakeSuperiorView Dec 2018 #201

You forgot Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2018 #10

Moran's all of them. TexasProgresive Dec 2018 #18

Dude .... it is not "moran" .... Persondem Dec 2018 #162

Dude, it goes back to this picture, maybe back to the Dubya years. TexasProgresive Dec 2018 #165

Ok. Makes sense now .... for a while I was wondering though .... nt Persondem Dec 2018 #173

It goes back to "It's hugh!" Later we got bigly. TexasProgresive Dec 2018 #176

How about this exercise in grammatical gibberish? Botany Dec 2018 #29

Your hard drive does contain enough storage for the whole thing DFW Dec 2018 #31

How about the classic tea party signs? crazycatlady Dec 2018 #177

Loose rhymes with juice. Lose rhymes with booze. Martin Eden Dec 2018 #19

It's not nice to cast asparagus on people! htuttle Dec 2018 #20

I no. Sometime's I cant help it. n/t DFW Dec 2018 #32

Aspargus? True Dough Dec 2018 #43

LOL DuZY! treestar Dec 2018 #90

My teen spells better than I do janterry Dec 2018 #2

Nothing drives me nuts more than "would of"/"could of" ansible Dec 2018 #3

I Swype, and then auto correct makes me look like an idiot. Rorey Dec 2018 #26

I've had BOSSES who use "could of" and "would of" CousinIT Dec 2018 #38

LOL, I cannot imagine your BOSSES opinion of you. nt USALiberal Dec 2018 #61

Apparently pretty damn good. Last performance review was "Excellent" CousinIT Dec 2018 #96

You could of been overlooked for the promotion Codeine Dec 2018 #99

InstaGramblish, SnapChaglish, Ganglish! CousinIT Dec 2018 #104

I wonder if the boss thinks your grammar is wrong, or more likely treestar Dec 2018 #102

He doesn't think it's wrong. CousinIT Dec 2018 #109

I knew a classics "scholar" from the eastern USA DFW Dec 2018 #121

. . . Codeine Dec 2018 #141

some other funny ones treestar Dec 2018 #142

Take for granite?? DFW Dec 2018 #170

It's always disheartening when your boss sends out an e-mail MountCleaners Dec 2018 #193

"Would of" and "Could of" in spoken English is a contraction of "Would have". Tracer Dec 2018 #53

+1 n/t CousinIT Dec 2018 #93

Maybe just lighten up a little would help. I doubt you ever do not know what they are saying. nt USALiberal Dec 2018 #57

I don't know if your post was directed at me, but your second sentence is unintelligible. Tracer Dec 2018 #65

LOL, that was my point. Lighten up! USALiberal Dec 2018 #68

the one I hate is "try and" rather than "try to" treestar Dec 2018 #97

They do, but they're less likely to be assigned whole novels anymore. pnwmom Dec 2018 #4

Good question UncleTomsEvilBrother Dec 2018 #5

Yes, STEM is a culprit.... LisaM Dec 2018 #54

Do they still diagram sentences in English? MountCleaners Dec 2018 #197

No LeftInTX Dec 2018 #205

I suspect a lot of time voice recognition got the wrong word raccoon Dec 2018 #6

My grammar lessons were busy work crazycatlady Dec 2018 #7

No they are too busy getting on my lawn. Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #8

Same here Sanity Claws Dec 2018 #11

Not so much spelling and grammar oberliner Dec 2018 #12

Lazy habits for many. bobGandolf Dec 2018 #13

DU membership suppression comes in many forms Deb Dec 2018 #14

+1 violetpastille Dec 2018 #182

Complete confusion between the subject marybourg Dec 2018 #15

my 6th grade teacher always corrected it when we used Me first... samnsara Dec 2018 #22

The problem isn't putting yourself first. marybourg Dec 2018 #123

The shortcut I taught my daughter Codeine Dec 2018 #143

That's right. If only everyone's mothers and teachers marybourg Dec 2018 #154

Right trick - but the personal pronoun is always last in the list. Ms. Toad Dec 2018 #169

I think that happens naturally Codeine Dec 2018 #172

I've heard it plenty. n/t Ms. Toad Dec 2018 #184

This is the one that drives me batty. dewsgirl Dec 2018 #51

The use of 'myself' instead of me curlyred Dec 2018 #55

Yeah, I think these subject/object confusion problems marybourg Dec 2018 #135

Yes, you can divide it into separate sentences treestar Dec 2018 #144

It's actually easier than that. I is the subject of a sentence. marybourg Dec 2018 #153

I love when this type of thread comes up every few months. Blue_Adept Dec 2018 #16

I think we disagreed on something once, Blue_Adept True Dough Dec 2018 #46

Good point! Thank you! nt USALiberal Dec 2018 #64

I love the grammar whiners. They must have a really easy life to have those complaints. nt USALiberal Dec 2018 #62

I teach college film classes Ghost of Tom Joad Dec 2018 #17

Speaking of handwriting..... schools have dropped teaching cursive groundloop Dec 2018 #25

If I remember correctly shanti Dec 2018 #147

I'm a professor of history at a major state university. a la izquierda Dec 2018 #34

Sounds like you need another job, I agree. Good luck! nt USALiberal Dec 2018 #166

You missed a comma after "Surprisingly". Nt USALiberal Dec 2018 #78

i think a lot of mistakes are when someone uses talk to text.. samnsara Dec 2018 #21

My kid takes Language Arts krispos42 Dec 2018 #23

We don't need no education SCantiGOP Dec 2018 #24

whad ya yappin bout.....huh; Crazyleftie Dec 2018 #27

My junior high granddaughter doesn't understand grammar. Verb sinkingfeeling Dec 2018 #28

I have to constantly remind college students... a la izquierda Dec 2018 #35

I'm reading a pop history of Waterloo at the moment Codeine Dec 2018 #85

That is totally a trend now. Any novel I read treestar Dec 2018 #101

The media is to blame for this. marybourg Dec 2018 #137

That also racks my nerves! I mean WTH. CousinIT Dec 2018 #33

They teach them conformity & love of money. -nt CrispyQ Dec 2018 #103

My dad was born in 1913. He had to quit school after 8th leftyladyfrommo Dec 2018 #36

When I sub-taught last week, I had to correct the language teacher for spelling no_hypocrisy Dec 2018 #37

It is not the kid's fault if the education they receive is leftyladyfrommo Dec 2018 #39

It's not only spelling... moonseller66 Dec 2018 #40

Eltse for else. mantis49 Dec 2018 #49

I seriously wonder CountAllVotes Dec 2018 #41

I think home schooling is a problem. leftyladyfrommo Dec 2018 #44

I fear for them CountAllVotes Dec 2018 #47

Have you thought of telling the relatives that they should save their stamp because you are not GemDigger Dec 2018 #94

They aren't my relatives CountAllVotes Dec 2018 #116

Are you equally concerned Codeine Dec 2018 #98

Lol. cwydro Dec 2018 #188

It's even worse in other countries jberryhill Dec 2018 #42

Snort! Codeine Dec 2018 #82

They teach it from first grade on. It takes two to learn it. Nt roody Dec 2018 #45

It's not just the kids Buckeyeblue Dec 2018 #48

Wouldn't judge one's grammar by on-line or text posting. It's too difficult to proofread. Second, Hoyt Dec 2018 #50

It's a big world. And online, people are much more focused on content and meaning than WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2018 #52

Spelling and grammar have much to do with content and meaning. MineralMan Dec 2018 #63

Not really, most people can figure out what the person is saying. nt USALiberal Dec 2018 #67

Yes, really. MineralMan Dec 2018 #69

Many times I do not...... USALiberal Dec 2018 #70

Interestingly enough, computer languages are MineralMan Dec 2018 #72

Sucks syntax /nt LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #92

I'm having difficulty with your first sentence. CrispyQ Dec 2018 #113

Thank you. cwydro Dec 2018 #189

Woman without her man is nothing. Cold War Spook Dec 2018 #146

Good example of comma placement. MineralMan Dec 2018 #190

They do, but they're so fluid, it's generally pretty easy to discern a person's meaning, WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2018 #95

OK. I have made my living as a writer for over 50 years. MineralMan Dec 2018 #114

I would think that was really true if a person was applying leftyladyfrommo Dec 2018 #126

No comprende. doc03 Dec 2018 #56

The other thing is, there have always been people who don't have perfect spelling or grammar. You're WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2018 #58

Ain't not no gooder reson two! whistler162 Dec 2018 #59

In most districts, kids take four years of English in high school. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #60

Does teaching imply learning? jayschool2013 Dec 2018 #66

The ability to communicate clearly is often the key to success MineralMan Dec 2018 #71

+1 CousinIT Dec 2018 #125

Not knowing the difference between "imply and infer," kskiska Dec 2018 #73

Allude and elude. cwydro Dec 2018 #77

Seriously, this bothers you? nt USALiberal Dec 2018 #83

Thank you for your contributions to this thread. violetpastille Dec 2018 #183

"Bare with me." cagefreesoylentgreen Dec 2018 #194

On the first page of GD on any given day, there are usually at least two spelling errors. cwydro Dec 2018 #74

DU is the Official Home of "Could of" Codeine Dec 2018 #81

Lol! cwydro Dec 2018 #195

Considering I see the same thing in every age group Codeine Dec 2018 #75

I seen lotsa that when I was at school to. MineralMan Dec 2018 #84

+1 treestar Dec 2018 #108

"And no punctuation." This comment is not a complete sentence. /nt LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #76

Sentence fragments for the win! nt Codeine Dec 2018 #79

We need more login screens like this: CrispyQ Dec 2018 #86

It's not just younger generations mcar Dec 2018 #87

I see alot of mistakes on DU. Dave Starsky Dec 2018 #107

... mcar Dec 2018 #130

they do but the bad habits come from texting treestar Dec 2018 #88

Did you do that on purpose Codeine Dec 2018 #89

LOL! treestar Dec 2018 #110

That Was Pretty Clever! ProfessorGAC Dec 2018 #192

LOL. I had totally forgotten about typewriter errors! CrispyQ Dec 2018 #115

I had a clerical job for a short time. Basically, I was a secretary. MineralMan Dec 2018 #128

"I had a clerical job for a short time." Me too; I was a minister. :D /nt LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #140

Liquid Paper...White Out etc LeftInTX Dec 2018 #208

I have a niece who is a teacher. Blue_true Dec 2018 #100

The counting change thing is inevitable Codeine Dec 2018 #105

You make sound arguments. Literacy at writing, reading, math has always been an issue. Blue_true Dec 2018 #119

Public schools have been starved for money & ignorance promoted as acceptable by the RW for decades CousinIT Dec 2018 #118

Codeine made some good points, iliteracy in this country has always been higher that in many Blue_true Dec 2018 #122

In our school district (red county), it's the opposite mcar Dec 2018 #159

If they're giving the kids homework for the sake of giving them homework Mariana Dec 2018 #171

There is a difference between formal and informal language. leftyladyfrommo Dec 2018 #117

I think most of the internet is informal LeftInTX Dec 2018 #207

"seen" versus "saw" annoys me.... Delarage Dec 2018 #120

I wrote about that earlier. Around here that is common. leftyladyfrommo Dec 2018 #133

Oops.... Delarage Dec 2018 #136

No. I just put it put there a few minutes ago. leftyladyfrommo Dec 2018 #138

some of those are regional. My husband says excape instead of escape. It drives me demigoddess Dec 2018 #152

He's *saying* escape. marybourg Dec 2018 #156

No they take English testing thanks to W JCMach1 Dec 2018 #124

I know a couple of people in their early twenties... WeekiWater Dec 2018 #127

I'll bet the writers are also readers. CrispyQ Dec 2018 #149

Very true treestar Dec 2018 #155

My linguistics professor would say, a message conveyed and understood successfully used the language TheBlackAdder Dec 2018 #129

My favorites are: Funtatlaguy Dec 2018 #132

Volunteer for tutoring Ciaphas Cain Dec 2018 #134

Why Pick On the Kids? TooManyDucks Dec 2018 #145

Texting has a lot to do with it. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Dec 2018 #148

what drives me NUTS is the use of women when they mean one WOMAN demigoddess Dec 2018 #151

Anymore do kids take English in school? IcyPeas Dec 2018 #157

Random use of 's NastyRiffraff Dec 2018 #158

I have been a writer and editor my entire 30+ year career mcar Dec 2018 #160

Oh - but poor grammar and spelling are a sure way to identify the infiltrating morans . . . Ms. Toad Dec 2018 #163

Smart phones equal dumb people Persondem Dec 2018 #164

Except there have always been dumb people. Codeine Dec 2018 #174

Did you follow the link? I doubt it, ... cuz cigarettes were good for people for 100 years. Persondem Dec 2018 #175

I'm nearly 50 years old disagree with almost every post in this thread FreeState Dec 2018 #168

Thank you Bucky Dec 2018 #178

The do but folks don't care enough to actually learn it jimlup Dec 2018 #179

I've come in contact with many teachers who get the homophones wrong onlyadream Dec 2018 #202

Might be a dyslexia or a right brain dominance things. Left handedness is on the rise. McCamy Taylor Dec 2018 #206

One of the worst offenders has not posted in this thread. Phentex Dec 2018 #209